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Hi, I wonder if anyone can help me please? I am looking for a trail which has gone cold after 1901 census as follows:

My great grandfather Isaac Davidson born 1866 in Carlisle, parents were John and Catherine (nee Oniel). In 1892 he married Agnes Notman, and they had 5 children. possibly more who did not survive.
1901 census as follows:

Isaac Davidson
England and Wales Census, 1901
Name Isaac Davidson
Event Type Census
Event Date 31 Mar 1901
Event Place Carlisle Botchergate, Cumberland, England
County Cumberland
Civil Parish Carlisle Botchergate
Ecclesiastical Parish St Stephen'S
Sub-District St Cuthbert
Registration District Carlisle
Residence Note South John Street
Gender Male
Age 35
Occupation BRICKLAYER
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Birth Year (Estimated) 1866
Birthplace Carlisle, Cumberland
Schedule Type 178
Page Number 27
HOUSEHOLD

HOUSEHOLD

ROLE

GENDER

AGE

BIRTHPLACE

Isaac Davidson Head M 35 Carlisle, Cumberland
Agnes Davidson Wife F 30 Carlisle, Cumberland
Margaret Davidson Daughter F 7 Carlisle, Cumberland
John Davidson Son M 5 Carlisle, Cumberland
Isabella Davidson Daughter F 2 Carlisle, Cumberland
Charles Davidson Son M 0 Carlisle, Cumberland

In 1903 Agnes and daughter Isabella aged 3 died, and after that I cannot find Isaac anywhere! Son Charles is found on an industrial training ship in 1911 in South Shields, (having been sentenced to 5 years for housebreaking) His daughter Margaret born 1894 was living with an aunt, so I am guessing they all split up after Agnes' death..

There is another Isaac Davidson, but he married a Christian (wife name), and this is not my great-grandfather..

I have no idea where else to look, and I can't find his death records anywhere, can anyone help? It is such a mystery to me so far. I was told the family didn't move far from Carlisle, but this may be limiting my search.
Any help would be so welcome
Thank you
Deborah

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Name Isaac Davidson
Event Type Burial
Event Place Carlisle, Cumbria, England, United Kingdom
Cemetery Carlisle (Dalston Road) Cemetery and Crematorium
Latitude 54.87869
Longitude -2.95155
Death Date 06 Mar 1926
Affiliate Create Date 2015-08-19 19:09:39
Affiliate Image Identifier 15842982

Agnes Davidson

England and Wales Census, 1901

Name Agnes Davidson
Event Type Census
Event Date 31 Mar 1901
Event Place Carlisle Botchergate, Cumberland, England
County Cumberland
Civil Parish Carlisle Botchergate
Ecclesiastical Parish St Stephen'S
Sub-District St Cuthbert
Registration District Carlisle
Residence Note South John Street
Gender Female
Age 30
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Birth Year (Estimated) 1871
Birthplace Carlisle, Cumberland
Schedule Type 178
Page Number 27


Isaac Davidson Head M 35 Carlisle, Cumberland
Agnes Davidson Wife F 30 Carlisle, Cumberland
Margaret Davidson Daughter F 7 Carlisle, Cumberland
John Davidson Son M 5 Carlisle, Cumberland
Isabella Davidson Daughter F 2 Carlisle, Cumberland
Charles Davidson Son M 0 Carlisle, Cumberland

forgot to say - welcome to the boards :-) :-)


Name Agnes Notman
Event Type Census
Event Date 1881
Event Place Carlisle St Cuthbert Without, Cumberland, England
Registration District Carlisle
Residence Note Area Court
Gender Female
Age 10
Marital Status (Original) Single
Occupation Scholar
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Birth Year (Estimated) 1871
Birthplace Carlisle, Cumberland, England
Page Number 3
Registration Number RG11
Piece/Folio 5156/5
Affiliate Record Type Household


George Notman Head M 33 Carlisle, Cumberland, England
Elizabeth Notman Wife F 33 Manchester, Lancashire, England
Agnes Notman Daughter F 10 Carlisle, Cumberland, England
Elizabeth Notman Daughter F 5 Carlisle, Cumberland, England
George Notman Son M 3 Carlisle, Cumberland, England
James Notman Son M 1 Carlisle, Cumberland, England

Name Agnes Notman
Event Type Marriage
Registration Quarter Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration Year 1892
Registration District Carlisle
County Cumberland
Event Place Carlisle, Cumberland, England
Volume 10B
Page 627
Line Number 61

The reference for the death that Ann has posted so age is about right.

Isaac Davidson
Birth Date: abt 1867
Date of Registration: Mar 1926
Age at Death: 59
Registration district: Carlisle
Inferred County: Cumberland
Volume: 10b
Page: 683

Wow! That was speedy!! Thank you so much!

I did see the 1926 death of Isaac Davidson, and it was the only fit age wise, but when I found it on this website http://www.carlisleshistory.co.uk/page6.htm, it lists this Isaac as buried with wife Christian (55/10 indicates the grave and place in the cemetery) and if you look there you will find wife and daughter buried there, so I don't think it is him?

Re Agnes Notman, I found their marriage cert. and her father is Michael Norman, not George, (there were 2 Agnes born in the same place & very similar ages..

I am still mystified as to where Isaac was in 1911, with all family split up, so any help with this too would be a big relief.
And thank you for the work so far, you lot are brilliant!!!
Deborah

Name Isaac Davidson
Event Type Census
Event Date 1881
Event Place Carlisle St Mary Within, Cumberland, England
Registration District Carlisle
Residence Note Sewells Lane
Gender Male
Age 14
Marital Status (Original) Single
Occupation Labourer
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Birth Year (Estimated) 1867
Birthplace Carlisle, Cumberland, England
Page Number 22
Registration Number RG11
Piece/Folio 5157/64
Affiliate Record Type Household


John Davidson Head M 38 Scotby, Cumberland, England
Catherine Davidson Wife F 38 Warwick, Cumberland, England
Isaac Davidson Son M 14 Carlisle, Cumberland, England
Charlotte Davidson Daughter F 12 Carlisle, Cumberland, England
Charles Davidson Son M 10 Carlisle, Cumberland, England
Mary Davidson Daughter F 8 Carlisle, Cumberland, England
John Davidson Son M 5 Carlisle, Cumberland, England
Nathan Davidson Son M 3 Carlisle, Cumberland, England
Catherine Davidson Daughter F 1 Carlisle, Cumberland, England

Name Isaac Davidson
Event Type Census
Event Date 1891
County Cumberland
Parish St Marys Within
Ecclesiastical Parish ST PAULS
Registration District Carlisle
Residence Note Lewthwaites Lane
Gender Male
Age 24
Marital Status Single
Occupation Brick Layer
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Birth Year (Estimated) 1867
Birthplace Cumberland, England
Page Number 7
Registration Number RG12
Piece/Folio 4288/ 43


John Davidson Head M 48 Cumberland, England
Catherine Davidson Wife F 45 Cumberland, England
Isaac Davidson Son M 24 Cumberland, England
Charlotte Davidson Daughter F 22 Cumberland, England
Charles Davidson Son M 20 Cumberland, England
Mary Davidson Daughter F 18 Cumberland, England
John Davidson Son M 16 Cumberland, England
Nathan Davidson Son M 13 Cumberland, England
Catherine Davidson Daughter F 10 Cumberland, England
Lizzie Davidson Daughter F 8 Cumberland, England
Margareta Davidson Daughter F 6 Cumberland, England

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No further info on original paperwork such as age or occupation
There are other I Davidsons travelling 1901-1911, but as only initials given, even harder to identify

Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960 Transcription

First name(s) ISAAC
Last name DAVIDSON
Gender Male
Age ADULT
Marital status S
Departure year 1908
Departure day 20
Departure month 8
Departure port LIVERPOOL
Destination port NEW YORK
Destination NEW YORK
Country United States
Destination country United States
Ship name BALTIC
Ship official number 118101
Ship master's first name J B
Ship master's last name RANSON
Shipping line WHITE STAR
City LIVERPOOL
Ship destination port NEW YORK
Ship destination country USA
Ship square feet 14273
Ship registered tonnage 23876
Number of passengers 1170

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age is wrong but they might not of known how old isaac was

Deaths Jun 1905 (>99%)
Davidson Isaac 32 Brampton 10b 306

This is the entry of the Isaac Davidson whose passenger record was posted by greyghost above. He's the only one shown, but it does say he is only 14

This is from the Ellis Island site .....

http://www.libertyellisfoundation.org/

Passenger Record

First Name : Isaac
Last Name : Davidson
Nationality : Russia, Russian
Last Place of Residence : Manchester, England
Date of Arrival : August 28th, 1908
Age at Arrival : 14y
Gender : Male
Marital Status : Single
Ship of Travel : Baltic
Port of Departure : Liverpool
Manifest Line Number : 0013


Actually, the image of the Ship's Manifest shows his age as 19, Student

An interesting thought...I did wonder that after his wife died he just abandoned the family? He was with her on 1901 census, then lost her in 1903 with daughter a couple months before that, and possibly a new baby...

My grandfather (his son) was found housebreaking - possibly starving at 10 years old, and sent away, 5 years later, no-one came to collect him, so he joined merchant navy. So it is possible that Isaac emigrated to get away from it all? I will look up those passenger lists and have another look at the brampton death, do they get ages wrong on death certificates?
again, my thanks for the help...he must have been somewhere!! My grandfather rarely spoke of him, if ever, and never told us about his own misfortunes...
Deborah

yes, ages can be wrong on death certificates!

Have you looked in Scotland?

2 deaths for Isaac Davidson (exact match on first and surnames) born 1867 +/- 3yrs

no, didn't look in Scotland, his ancestors come from the borders, Arthuret and Kirkandrews, and Dumfries, so will have another look there...

This is Isaac's mother in 1911. Although she's widowed she states she had 10 children, 6 are living and 4 have die. You may be able to work out from that if Isaac is still living?

The transcript is wrong, the household is only Charlotte, Cyril and Catherine. (Incidentally Charlotte claims she had 7 children, 5 living and 2 had died, so where are the other 4?)

Catherine Davidson
Age in 1911: 65
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Warwick Carlisle, Cumberland, England
Civil Parish: Carlisle
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County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England
Street address: 27 Annetwell Street Carlisle
Marital Status: Widowed
Registration district: Carlisle
Registration District Number: 574
Sub-registration district: St Mary
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Piece: 31322
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Cassidy 56
Mary McKie 36
Thomas McKie 35
Charles Cassidy 20
John McKie 5
Annie McKie 7
Charlotte Kirkpatrick 38
Cyril Kirkpatrick 2
Catherine Davidson 65

Hi Rootgatherer,

A really good idea, good detective work here! I haven't found all of the siblings details yet (for Isaac), only know of 1 death before 1911 so far. I will work on finding out who the 6 living are.

Yes interesting that Charlotte has only 1 child with her. I found 3 other children at St Peter's boarding school/orphage? in Durham, 3 brothers aged 11-16, which is strange. Her daughter Kate is in a home for "friendless girls", whatever that means (Durran Hill, Carlisle). I can only guess why they have been sent there, perhaps as paupers?

Isaac's eldest daughter Margaret went to live with Catherina Mc Fadyen after her mother died, she was her mothers sister who married a Collingwood Mc Fadyen. Both aunt & uncle died in Barrow-in-Furness

Thank you!!!