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Isabella Norman
England Births and Christenings
Name Isabella Norman
Gender Female
Christening Date 30 Oct 1825
Christening Place BECKENHAM, KENT, ENGLAND
Father's Name John Norman
Mother's Name Elizabeth

Malyon - what is your source for the 1851 Census which features my Elizabeth (jnr) NORMAN, niece, born 1833 living with the RICE family?

I aplogise to all for having made this thead confusing since it refers to 2 generations of Elizabeth NORMAN - mother (born 1800) and daughter (born 1833) which I now refer to as (snr) and (jnr).

I have now sighted the 1851 Census on Ancestry which is illegible to my eye and can well imagine why the surname has been transcribed differently. Mary ROSE is said to be from Harland, Essex but it suits me to use Malyon's source which says Harlow, Essex because its where Elizabeth (snr) was born. This would make Mary the aunt of Elizabeth (jnr) and perhaps the sister of Elizabeth (snr)?

Looking to purchase a birth certificate for John NORMAN born 1842 in Lewisham which included Sydenham, Kent.

Name Elizabeth Norman
Event Type Census
Event Date 1881
Event Place Lewisham, London,Kent, England
Registration District Lewisham
Residence Note Bradford Road
Gender Female
Age 81
Marital Status (Original) Widow
Occupation Formerly Laundress
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Birth Year (Estimated) 1800
Birthplace Harlow, Essex, England
Page Number 18
Registration Number RG11
Piece/Folio 737/9
Affiliate Record Type Household
HOUSEHOLD

ROLE

GENDER

AGE

BIRTHPLACE

Elizabeth Norman Head F 81 Harlow, Essex, England
George Norman Grand Son M 12 Sydenham, Kent, England

could this be elizabeths marrige to john norman

John Norman
mentioned in the record of John Norman and Elizabeth Gant
Name John Norman
Spouse's Name Elizabeth Gant
Event Date 1817
Event Place Elmstead, Essex, England

One of those Birth Certs. posted earlier needed. Wondering about Burr...


1841
Montpelier Street, St Margaret, Westminster, Middlesex,
John Rice (Butcher) 50 1791


West Middlesex Marriage Index Transcription (Find My Past)
First name(s) JOHN
Last name RICE
Marriage year 1822
Marriage day 23
Marriage month Jan
Place KENSINGTON
Groom's first name(s) John
Groom's last name RICE
Bride's first name(s) Mary
Bride's last name BURR
County Middlesex


Westminster Marriages Transcription (Find My Past)
First name(s) JOHN
Last name NORMAN
Marriage year 1820
Marriage day 01
Marriage month Oct
Parish St Anne, Soho
Spouse's first name(s) ELIZABETH
Spouse's last name BURR
Groom's parish St Anne Westminster
Bride's parish St Anne Westminster
County Middlesex

(above should also be on Ancestry, London Marriages, and Pallots)

Chris :)

(Marriages suggested by Malyon below)

County Essex
Place Elmstead
Church name St Anne and St Lawrence
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 32
Marriage date 20 Feb 1817
Groom forename John
Groom surname NORMAN
Groom condition single
Groom parish Of this parish
Bride forename Elizabeth
Bride surname GANT
Bride condition single
Bride parish Of this parish
Witness1 forename Samuel
Witness1 surname NICHOLS
Witness2 forename Lucy
Witness2 surname NORMAN
Notes Banns. Witness 1 signed others marked.


County Cambridgeshire
Place Caldecote
Church name St Michael and All Angels
Register type Transcript
Marriage date 23 Dec 1824
Groom forename John
Groom surname NEWMAN
Groom condition bachelor
Groom parish Bourne
Bride forename Elizabeth
Bride surname RADFORD
Bride condition spinster


http://www.freereg.org.uk/

(from above free link)

Thank you for your continue support.

I have today ordered the birth certificate of John NORMAN born 1842 in Sydenham, Lewisham, Kent. Fingers crossed.

I will share the results.

The certified copy of an entry of birth for John NORMAN on 14th September 1842 at Sydenham Common, Lewisham, Kent is frustratingly inconclusive due to the poor quality of the handwriting as to Elizabeth's maiden name which definately starts with a B followed by 3 or 4 other letters. It would be easy to assume it is BURR per the 1820 marriage above.