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Ernest Harding and Florence Lydia Goodey.

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Colin

Colin Report 11 Dec 2015 02:04

I have found a marriage certificate for the above couple, June 1905, at Wandsworth London, but I can not seem to find if they had any children or grand children.It is believed that they did.
Any help would be very much appreciated thank you.
Regards and Seasons wishes to all.
Colin.

Vanessa

Vanessa Report 11 Dec 2015 04:50

Hi Colin

This appears to be the marriage:

Marriages Jun 1905 (>99%)
>>> Goodey Florence Lydia Wandsworth 1d 1122
Gregory William Philip Wandsworth 1d 1122
>>> HARDING Harold Ernest Wandsworth 1d 1122
WATTS Alice Maud Wandsworth 1d 1122

Vanessa

Vanessa Report 11 Dec 2015 05:02

There are a number of births after 1911 (this is when the Mothers maiden name began to show on the index), however there is another marriage in West Ham that could account for these:

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page

Births Dec 1912 (>99%)
Harding Vera I Goodey W. Ham 4a 639
Births Mar 1914 (>99%)
Harding Christine E Goodey Fulham 1a 475
Births Mar 1918 (>99%)
Harding David C Goodey Brentford 3a 180
Births Mar 1920 (>99%)
Harding Harold E Goodey W Ham 4a 849
Births Jun 1923 (>99%)
Harding Gwendoline M Goodey W.Ham 4a 618
Births Dec 1925 (>99%)
Harding Jean Goodey W.Ham 4a 516


The other marriage set - although I have not traced these to see who married who:
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1905 (>99%)
GOODEY Lilian W. Ham 4a 456 Scan available - click to view
HARDING Harry Ernest W. Ham 4a 456 Scan available - click to view
HARVEY Alfred John W. Ham 4a 456 Scan available - click to view
ROPER Amy Louise W. Ham 4a 456 Scan available - click to view

Coincidence that this groom is Harry Ernest (Harold Ernest)??
:-0

Vanessa

Vanessa Report 11 Dec 2015 05:04

After this time, we begin to go to dates where people can still be living so details cannot be posted here.

If you use FreeBMD, you may be able to find if any of the above married, or a copy of a Birth cert, would confirm parents.

Vanessa

Vanessa Report 11 Dec 2015 05:06

This could possibly the birth registration for Florence:

Name: Florence Lydia Goodey
Event Type: Birth Registration
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration Year: 1883
Registration District: Oxford
County: Oxfordshire
Event Place: Oxford, Oxfordshire, England
Mother's Maiden Name (not available before 1911 Q3):
Volume: 3A
Page: 816
Line Number: 260

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 11 Dec 2015 07:04

from ancestry

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Florence Lydia Goodey
Estimated birth year: abt 1883
Age: 22
Spouse: Harold Ernest Harding
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 24 Apr 1905
Parish: Holy Trinity, Upper Tooting
Borough: Wandsworth
Father Name: George Goodey
Spouse Father: Charles Harding
Register Type: Parish Register

from the image
Henry is a Soldier
Father occupation:- Coal Merchant

Charles Harding occupation:- Bootmaker

Witnesses:- George Goodey and Emily Elizabeth Goodey. Plus there is a third signature at an angle to these two, and ti could be George Gregory


EDITt:- December 12 ca 12:30 am

I really should be careful what I post late at night!!.


Note the following errors

from the image
Henry is a Soldier <<<<<<<<<<< oops!! HAROLD is a soldier
Father (Charles Harding) occupation:- Coal Merchant

Charles Harding occupation:- Bootmaker <<<<<<<<<, George Goodey, Bootmaker

------------

This is the second marriage that Vanessa found

England & Wales Marriages, 1538-1940

Name: Harry Ernest Harding
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1879
Age: 26
Father's name: James Robert George Harding
Spouse's Name: Lilian Goodey
Spouse's Age: 24
Spouse's Father's Name: Edward Goodey
Marriage Date: 28 Nov 1905
Marriage Place: Wanstead slip, Essex, England


this is an Index-only record, so it is not possible to look at the image to check all details ...............

but it does look like just a coincidence, or possibly cousins????

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 11 Dec 2015 07:08

Harry Ernest and Lilian had 2 children in the 1911 Census

LondonBelle

LondonBelle Report 11 Dec 2015 07:53

According to Military Records in the name of Ernest Harding he married in the name of Harold Ernest Harding and the Marriage details are the same as those in the 0704 Post above.
Also, according to the same Records there were at least 3 children born to the Marriage as follows:

Ernest George born 28.05.06 Elswick
Emily Winifred born 12.08.07 Elswick
Harold Frederick born 28.02.10 Tooting

Ernest was 18yrs 2mths when he joined The Royal Horse & Field Artillery (Service No
13045/RFA) on 21 Nov 1900 and was born in Tooting Surrey; his occupation prior to joining up was a Carman and he was a Driver in the RFA.

LondonBelle

LondonBelle Report 11 Dec 2015 08:26

According to the 1911 Census Ernest had left the RFA. He and his Family were living at 65 Outram St, Islington, London.

Ernest 27 born Tooting, Surrey occ Stableman N W Railway
Florence 28 born Oxford
Ernest 4 born Newcastle on Tyne
Winifred 3 born Newcastle on Tyne
Harold 1 born Balham

Married 6 years. Three children born to Marriage, all living.

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 11 Dec 2015 08:43

Have you checked 'Search All Member Trees' (top right of page, under 'Search') Florence looks to be shared.

(does below relate?)

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C8024602

Chris :)

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 11 Dec 2015 09:56

Emily Winifred Harding in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Emily Winifred Harding
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 8 Sep 1907
Baptism Place: St. Andrew's, Newcastle-upon-Tyne, Northumberland, England
Father: Ernest Harding
Mother: Florence Harding

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 11 Dec 2015 10:01

Ernest George Harding in the England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Ernest George Harding
Birth Date: 28 May 1906
Date of Registration: Jan 1984
Age at Death: 77
Registration district: Warwick and Leamington
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 31
Page: 643

malyon

malyon Report 11 Dec 2015 11:49

this looks like harold's birth

Harold Ernest Harding
England and Wales Birth Registration Index
Name Harold Ernest Harding
Event Type Birth Registration
Registration Quarter Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year 1883
Registration District Wandsworth
County London
Event Place Wandsworth, London, England
Volume 1D
Page 664
Line Number 275

malyon

malyon Report 11 Dec 2015 11:58

this could be florence's death

Deaths Sep 1942 (>99%)
Harding Florence L 59 Essex S.W. 4a 146

Potty

Potty Report 11 Dec 2015 12:24

Ernest also served in WW1, from 5th Sept 1914 to March 1920. There is a form in his records that gives his address as 10/75 Rochester Place, Kentish Town, in 1920 and another which gives his address as 40 Queens St?, Camden Town in 1921.

There is also a letter from his wife which has a received stamp dated 10th May 1921 and has the Flat 10, 75 Rochester Place address.

His medal card is on Ancestry; he received the 1914 Star with Clasp & Roses, the Victory & British medals.

Potty

Potty Report 11 Dec 2015 12:49

There is an Ernest Harding living at 40 Queens St in 1922, but his name is shown as Ernest James and he is living with an Emily Caroline Harding. There is a marriage in 1921 for an Ernest James Harding and an Emily Caroline Stevens in St Pancras.

There is ref in the Army records to the link given by Chris Ho.

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 11 Dec 2015 14:36

Re the post above from Potty above, the marriage of Ernest James Harding and Emily Caroline Stevens :

Name: Ernest James Harding
Spouse: Emily ?? Stevens
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 12 Jun 1921
Parish: St Pancras Old St Pancras
Borough: Camden
Father Name: Ernest James Harding
Spouse Father: Walter Thomas Hall
Register Type: Parish Register

Ernest James Harding the groom is an army clothing inspector, his father is also Ernest James Harding a deceased carpenter. Emily was a widow, her father Walter Thomas Hall was a decorator. The page is covered in what looks like ink blots so other details aren't that easy to read, Emily's second name Caroline is mostly covered by one such blot.

The couple both give 28 B????ay St as their address.

Colin

Colin Report 11 Dec 2015 22:42

Hi all, thank you so much to all you wonderful people that have come up with all this information. It's taking me a bit of time to digest it. I must admit that it is so confusing and I'm wondering if I am tangled up with more than one family of Hardings. They all seem to have the same variations of forenames.
I will do a bit more studying and get back here. Watch this space LOL
Please keep it coming. I did post a thread on the " Find living relatives " board, Looking for Kenneth William Harding and the reason for my search. Please take a look.
Many thanks again.
Colin.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 12 Dec 2015 00:55

?????

Harold Ernest in 1891 with his parents

1891 Census

Name: Harold L Harding
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1884
Relation: Son
Father's name: Charles Harding
Mother's name: Emma Harding
Gender: Male
Where born: Battersea, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Streatham
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Streatham
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: Wandsworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 3

Piece: 454
Folio: 71
Page Number: 27

Charles Harding 30 b.ca 1861, Chartridge, Buckinghamshire, Coal Porter
Emma Harding 30 b.ca 1861, Swilland, Suffolk
Charles F Harding 11
Herbert B Harding 9
Harold L Harding 7
Archibald L Harding 5
Amos F Harding 2

Address:- 7 Langroyd (???sp ) Road

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 12 Dec 2015 01:50

James Robert George Harding was born ca 1835. I wonder if this is his baptism??? ............


England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

Name: James Robert George Harding
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 6 Nov 1835
Baptism Place: Saint Dunstan,Stepney,London,England
Father: James Harding
Mother: Amelia Priscilla
FHL Film Number: 596913, 596914, 596915, 596916



In 1911, Harry Ernest Harding said he was born ca 1879, Clapton, London, and was a Tram Motorman


I wonder if therefore this is him with his parents in 1891???

1891 Census

Name: James Harding
Age: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1841
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Caroline Harding
Gender: Male
Where born: Frensham, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Hackney St John
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: Hackney
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 5

Piece: 185
Folio: 71
Page Number: 79

James Harding 50 Wheelwright
Caroline Harding 38 b.ca 1853, Chertsey, Surrey
Ernest Harding 14 b.ca 1877, Clapton, London
Caroline M Harding 4 b.ca 1887, Clapton
Frank R Harding 1 b.ca 1890, Clapton



This definitely looks like Harry Ernest in 1901 ..........

1901 Census

Name: Ernest Harding
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Sth Hackney, London, England
Civil Parish: Bromley
Search Photos: Search for 'Bromley' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Ecclesiastical parish: All Hallows East India Docks
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: Poplar
Sub-registration district: Bromley
ED, institution, or vessel: 24

Piece: 347
Folio: 128
Page Number: 11
Household schedule number: 55

Samuel Levy 50
Mary Levy 39
Thomas Levy 18
Elizabeth Levy 12
Amy Levy 3
Ernest Harding 24 Omnibus Conductor
George Page 33



???? Harry Ernest's baptism ...

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: Harry Harding
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 1 Apr 1877
Father's name: James Harding
Mother's name: Mary Harding
Parish or Poor Law Union: Streatham St Leonard
Borough: Lambeth
Register Type: Parish Registers

from image:-

Born 9 Nov 1876
Father occupation:- Carpenter
Address:- Streatham