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hi all, Yes they did go too Australia, just found it, Evelyn is not on Australian vote books after 1977,her 2 daughters may have got married ? in Australia ,her husband
Henry Herbert not on vote lists after 1972
Again many thanks for all your help

Ian, were you aware that the family ended up in Australia? And that details of the break up of Herbert Henry's first marriage is well documented on Trove?

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper?q=

I strongly suspect that the Evelyn Vickery who married Henry Herbert Erskine jnr is this girl:

Maud Evelyn Vickery in the Surrey, England, Baptisms, 1813-1912
Name: Maud Evelyn Vickery
Baptism Date: 22 Sep 1901
Archive Provided Parish: Kew, St Anne
Parish as it Appears: Kew
Father: Marwood Leigh Vickery - a grocer
Mother: Louisa Vickery
They lived Kew.

Her parents' marriage:

Louisa Moss in the London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: Louisa Moss
Spouse: Marwood Leigh Vickery
Record Type: Banns
Event Date: 15 Dec 1889
Parish: St Mary, Islington
Borough: Islington
Register Type: Parish Register

and her mother's death:

Louisa Vickery in the Australia, Death Index, 1787-1985
Name: Louisa Vickery
Birth Year: abt 1868
Age: 88
Death Place: Murchison, Victoria
Father's name: James Moss
Mother's name: Josephine Christ
Registration Year: 1956
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 7596

Ian, in your opening post you give Evelyn Vickery as 1907 - 1991, is that based on this death?

Evelyn Erskine in the England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Evelyn Erskine
Birth Date: 22 Dec 1907
Date of Registration: May 1991
Age at Death: 83
Registration district: Andover
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 20
Page: 67

If so, do you have the death certificate to ensure that it is the correct Evelyn?

ADDED:
I don't think that it is, given Evelyn's age on passenger lists and the details I've posted below.

Following on from alviegal's find above, when Mrs E Erskine and 2 children arrived in Freemantle they were headed to Sydney where their onward address was c/o Mrs Mills, 2 Hamilton Street, Rose Bay.

Mrs L Vickery was headed to 2, The Crofts, Hamilton Street, Rose Bay, Sydney. Can't see an arrival for Misses G & M.

Is this Evelyn travelling out to Australia?

Name: Mrs E Erskine
Gender: Female
Age: 35
Birth Date: abt 1903
Departure Date: 24 Sep 1938
Port of Departure: London, England
Destination Port: Sydney, Australia
Ship Name: Orontes
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Shipping line: Orient Line
Official Number: 146027
Master: W Savage


Also travelling was Mrs L Vickery (70), 22 Lyndhurst Ave, Tolworth, Surbiton, Surrey and 9 month old Miss G and Miss M Erskine of the same address.

many thanks all, now need to sort it all out

Not sure if it's been mentioned but on the 1901 after David Fanshaw's marriage to Emily Erskine

Herbert Erskine is named as stepson to David, and image shows Emily and herbert born Belfast.

Herbert Henry snr:

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar
Name: Herbert Henry Erskine
Probate Date: 2 Sep 1908
Registry: London, England
Death Date: 7 Oct 1907
Death Place: Manchester, England

Lived 159 High Street, Chorlton-upon Medlock. Admin to Maude Erskine widow. Effects £1005

Just for ref 1881 David Fanshaw with first wife

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Brick Houses, 4, Hunshelf, Wortley, Yorkshire, England


David Fanshaw Head Married Male 31 1850 Puddler Steel Works Heage, Derbyshire, England
Sarah Fanshaw Wife Married Female 30 1851 - Bloomfield, Staffordshire, England
Mary E Fanshaw Daughter Single Female 11 1870 Scholar Dudley, Staffordshire, England
Margaret Kendric Fanshaw Daughter Single Female 7 1874 Scholar Stocksbridge, Yorkshire, England
Alice M Fanshaw Daughter Single Female 1 1880 - Stocksbridge, Yorkshire, 99%)

Fanshaw David Dudley 6c 210
Kendrick Sarah Dudley 6c 210

The marriage of Henry Herbert snr's sister to Albert Edward Pullin (hence Alice Maude being his sister-in-law on the 1911)

Diocese of Chester parish registers of marriages c1538-1910

First name(s) Albert Edward
Last name Pullin
Age 34y
Marriage year 1902
Marriage date 14 Oct 1902
Marriage place Stockton Heath
Parish St. Thomas
Spouse's first name(s) Margaret Edith
Spouse's last name Erskine
Spouse's age 18y
Bride's father's name Henry Magill Erskine (deceased) Flax Merchant
City or town Stockton-Heath
County Cheshire
Country England

Margaret Edith signed the register as Madge.

Witnesses: J Brandlea?, B Fanshaw, Pansy A? Cracken?, EH Grimshaw, Emily Fanshaw, WJ? Fanshaw

I think the baptism I posted above is pretty conclusive so wouldn't waste £9.25 on birth certificate.

Marriages Mar 1899 (>99%)

Erskine Emily Warrington 8c 216
Fanshaw David Warrington 8c 216

Same family 1891

David Fanshaw 41
Sarah Fanshaw 40
Mary E Fanshaw 21
Margaret K Fanshaw 17
Alice M Fanshaw 11
Evelyn A Fanshaw 9
Ethel B Fanshaw 6
Percy E Fanshaw 3
Phoebe Day 30
John J H Day 7
Ethel Day 5
Sarah Vernon 17


Agreed you do need Henry Herberts birth cert to check!

Andy

I think you need Henry Herbert's birth certificate:

Births Mar 1903 (>99%)
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Erskine Henry Herbert Warrington 8c 239

1901
Name: Alice M Erskine
[Alice M Fanshaw]
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1880
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Father: David Fanshaw
Mother: Emily Fanshaw
Birth Place: Pennistone, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Warrington
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Ecclesiastical parish: St Barnabas
Town: Warrington
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Warrington
Sub-registration district: Warrington
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3581
Folio: 55
Page Number: 5
Household schedule number: 23
Household Members:
Name Age
David Fanshaw 51
Emily Fanshaw 48
Herbert Erskine 29
Alice M Erskine 21
E A Erskine 19
Margt E Erskine 17
Ethel B Erskine 16
Percy Erskine 13
Rosalie Clarke 19

In case it's connected:

Diocese of Chester parish registers of marriages c1538-1910

First name(s) Herbert Henry
Last name Erskine
Age 27y
Marriage year 1899
Marriage date 09 May 1899
Marriage place Stockton Heath
Parish St. Thomas
Spouse's first name(s) Maude
Spouse's last name Fanshaw
Spouse's age 19y
Bride's father's name David Fanshaw
City or town Stockton-Heath
County Cheshire
Country England

ADDED:
Herbert Henry a bachelor, occupation Amalgamator, lived Stockton Heath. His father a flax merchant.

Maude a spinster of White Cross House, Warrington. Her father a works manager.

Witnesses: James A McCullagh, Madge Erskine, Joseph Podmore

Diocese of Chester parish registers of baptisms c1538-1910

First name(s) Henry Herbert
Last name Erskine
Gender Male
Birth year 1903
Birth date 08 Dec 1902
Baptism year 1903
Baptism date 08 Feb 1903
Place Stockton-Heath, St Thomas
County Cheshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) Henry Herbert
Father's last name Erskine
Mother's first name(s) Alice Maud
Mother's last name Erskine

Henry Herbert was a draughtsman. Address was 19 Stafford Road.

It looks like Margaret Edith's maiden name was Erskine:

Marriages Dec 1902 (>99%)
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ERSKINE Madge Edith Runcorn 8a 423
ERSKINE Margaret Edith Runcorn 8a 423
Pullin Albert Edward Runcorn 8a 423

Interesting.....

Alice is a widow in 1911, but

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1902 (>99%)
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ERSKINE Madge Edith Runcorn 8a 423
ERSKINE Margaret Edith Runcorn 8a 423
Pullin Albert Edward Runcorn 8a 423


As Margaet was her sister, it could be Alice wasn't married

Possible, Ireland 1901


Name:
Alice Maude Erskine
Gender:Female
Age:20
Birth Year:abt 1881
Relation to Head:Daughter
Residence Date:31 Mar 1901
Townland/Street:
Rosemount
District:Dundrum
County:Dublin
Household Members:
Name
Age


Joseph Erskine 45
Amelia Erskine 43
Alice Maude Erskine 20
Anne Healy 54


Andy