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Thanks Chris for all the advice. Looks like I shall be researching this one for a good while. Best set to work. :-)

Well Trish, for somebody like yourself just starting out, I think you might have a 'tough cookie to crumble', lol...(for that Birth Cert.)

If he is relating to Ot etc surname, then just to add there is another family in Shepherd Street, Spitalfields on 1851 and 41. Looking more on google it seems Merle Langley is in Australia, and relates to this other family, who tie in with yours. She comes up on google searches, and seems well 'knowledged' on them. (think also she links to Facebook)

http://www.oocities.org/ottolangui2002/


Looking on below, just searching by Whitechapel using ot* 1838 - 1851 then 1852 - 1862 etc. you will see many variants of that surname...

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl


(not sure what below would bring, maybe worth a try, one can only hope, lol)


Births Sep 1874 (>99%)
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LANGLEY Abraham Hackney 1b 536


google is a good port of call for family history, you never know what might turn up, have a look round, and see what you think.

Chris :)


edits (below relates to 'school' Alexander, address given on below, Find My Past, his father a Mercantile Clerk)

National School Admission Registers & Log-books 1870-1914 Transcription

(Hertfordshire)

(ties in with 1881, Somerset Road, Chipping Barnet (Herts), Barnet, Middlesex, 1891 already posted)

Wow Chris, this is an awful lot to take in. I would never have thought that Ottolengui would translate to Langley. But I am now so overwhelmed by what I have just read, I do't know where best to start in trying to verify this. Any help on the best and first steps to be taken would be much appreciated.
I note that many of you jump around to various different sites to glean ifo.
Cheers, Trish :-)

No, but there is an Abraham on 1881, as you can see from reading links posted above, not going to be straightforward, nothing what it seems!...

Chris :)

there is no mention of alexander born 1873 to the above alexander and sophia

(think you better look at below, from google!)

Chris :)

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/LONDON/2007-01/1168869163

(Interestingly the boy Alexander Abrahams lived by the name of Alexander Langley (many of the Ottolangui's used the anglicanized name 'Langley') He died on 18 April 1900. Death registered in both names Abrahams & Langley. He married twice ( marriages not found) 1. Sophia Unknown 2. Mary Ann Unknown. He had 4 children 1.John born circa 1869 in Bristol (mother Sophia) 2. Elizabeth Rebecca born abt 1873, Hackney, London (mother either Sophia or Mary Ann) 3. Abraham born abt 1874 Hackney, London ( mother either Sophia or Mary Ann) 4. Albert G born abt 1881 (most likely mother Mary Ann).
Note: Birth registrations for these children not found but it is likely all the children were born with the surname Langley or Abrahams or both!)


http://www.oocities.org/ottolangui2002/Alexander_Ottolangui_also_Langley_1844.html

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/BRITISH-JEWRY/2011-10/1318129838

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/Middlesex_County_UK/2005-10/1129465264

http://www.oocities.org/ottolangui2002/

(Merle Langley, comes up on google, also with queries)


edits (suggestion for one on below)

Births Jun 1843 (>99%)
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OTOLANGUE Abraham Whitechapel 2 529


1851 (Find My Past)
Alexander Otelango Head Married Male 47 1804 General Dealer Mile End, Middlesex,
Elizabeth Otelango Wife Married Female 46 1805 - Spitalfields, Middlesex, England
John Otelango Grand Child - Male 9 1842 Scholar Spitalfields, Middlesex, England
Alexander Otelango Grand Child - Male 7 1844 Scholar Spitalfields, Middlesex, England
Abraham Otelango Grand Child - Male 5 1846 - Spitalfields, Middlesex, England
Mark Frankel - Unmarried Male 24 1827 Taylor Poland (Russia)
Kalmer Frankel - Unmarried Male 22 1829 Tailor Poland (Russia)
Jones Reemes - Married Male 32 1819 School Master Christchurch, Middlesex, England
Street Shepherd Street
Parish Christchurch
County Middlesex
Parliamentary borough Tower Hamlets
Registration district Whitechapel
Archive reference HO107
Piece number 1543
Folio 669
Page 8


1861 (Find My Past)
Elizth Ottolangue Head Widow Female 56 1805 General Dealer Spitalfields, Middlesex, England
Sarah Abrahams Daughter Married Female 35 1826 Milliner Spitalfields, Middlesex, England
Alexdr Abrahams Grandson Unmarried Male 17 1844 Boot Maker Spitalfields, Middlesex, England
Abraham Abrahams Grandson Unmarried Male 14 1847 Scholar Spitalfields, Middlesex, England
Anne Abrahams Granddaughter Unmarried Female 7 1854 Scholar Spitalfields, Middlesex, England
Louis Abrahams Grandson Unmarried Male 5 1856 Scholar Spitalfields, Middlesex, England
House number 20
Street Shepperd Street
Parish Spitalfields
County London, Middlesex
Parliamentary borough Tower Hamlets
Ecclesiastical district Christchurch
Registration district Whitechapel
Enumeration district 16
Archive reference RG09
Piece number 266
Folio number 149
Page number 9


Deaths Sep 1860 (>99%)
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Otolangue Alexander Whitechapel 1c 193


Deaths Dec 1887 (>99%)
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Ottolange Elizabeth 87 Whitechapel 1c 230

Huge thanks to Malyon, greyghost and Chris Ho for suggestions. I am drawn to your 2 suggestions Chris, because of the 'shoe maker' profession.
And I can easily see how the name Langley could be read as Laugley/Longley.
Do I need to invest in Certificates at this stage, or is there something more I can do to narrow these 2 down to say one.
Just thought, perhaps I will check out the 1991 census for both names. By then, my Great Grandfather Alexander would have been born.
Thanks to all :-)

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 (Ancestry)

Name: Elizabeth Longley
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Age: 22
Spouse: Albert Newton
Spouse Age: 23
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 20 Jul 1891
Parish: St James the Great, Bethnal Green
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Alexander Longley (Shoe Maker)
Spouse Father: William Newton
Register Type: Parish Register
(Residence at Time for both, Bethnal Green)


Marriages Sep 1891 (>99%)
----------------------------------------------------------
Langley Elizabeth Bethnal Green 1c 357
Newton Albert Bethnal Green 1c 357

Chris :)


(if below, 1881 posted earlier)

1891 (Find My Past)
Alexander Laugley Head Married Male 47 1844 Shoe Maker Spitalfields, Middlesex, England
Mary A Laugley Wife Married Female 47 1844 - Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England
Albert G Laugley Son Single Male 19 1872 Shoe Finisher Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
Street Kay Street
Parish Shoreditch
County London
Registration district Shoreditch
Archive reference RG12
Piece number 253
Folio 150
Page 27


1871 (Find My Past)
Alexander Langley Head - Male 25 1846 - Middlesex Spitalfields, England (Cordwainer)
Sophia Langley Wife - Female 24 1847 - Gloucestershire Bath, England
John Langley Son - Male 2 1869 - Gloucestershire Bristol, England
Street Emma Street
Parish St Matthew Bethnal Green
County London, Middlesex
Registration district Bethnal Green
Archive reference RG10
Piece number 480
Folio 92
Page 42

From Malyons find above - Amongst others listed - showing on original

Charles Langlee Head age 40 Chelsea Pensioner (Servant) b Doddington, Lincoln
Mary Langlee Wife age 45 b Skipton, Yorks
Alexander Langlee son age 8 b Demerera (also says South America on transcript)

wonder if this could be the father of alexander the one in 1881 census i cant see a birth in bdm in 1844

Alexander Langlee
England and Wales Census, 1851
Name Alexander Langlee
Age 8
Gender M
Birthplace Demorara British Subjects
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Schedule Type Institution

Sorry Malyon, yes I have found Alexander and Selina and have a lot of family info on them, but not further back. I thought that I needed to find his birth record so that I can get info on my Gt Gt grandfather Alexander and family.

what do you mean found your gt.grandfather in census with selina his wife are you still looking for his birth

Thanks Malyon, I am still not sure if I am right to follow Alexander and Sophia or Alexander and Maryann, because neither make reference to Alexander Junior (born 1873/4).
But everyone's help is greatly appreciated.

Thanks Chris in Sussex for the school link. I would never have found that. Had it been the right Alex, I would be a step further on now. :0)

could not find a marriage for alexander and Sophia as in 1871 census perhaps they never married

Thanks again to you all, I never expected even one reply, yet alone all this immediate help. I had found the Alex, aged 9 school census record, but had no link/evidence. It now appears that it's a different Langley tree. Thanks Greyghost for your research and input. Looks like a dead end on that front. But where, oh where is my Great grandfather Alexander?
:-S

This looks like the Alexander of 1881

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Kings Henrys Road, Hampstead, London, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Danheek J Langley Head Married Male 47 1844 Merchants Clerk Scotland
Agnes Langley Wife Married Female 48 1843 - Scotland
Elizabeth Langley Daughter Single Female 23 1868 - Old Ford, Middlesex, England
Alexander Langley Son Single Male 19 1872 Scholar Pembroke College New Barnet, Hertfordshire, England
Kate Langley Daughter Single Female 11 1880 Scholar New Barnet, Hertfordshire, England
Florence C Daris Servant Single Female 17 1874 Servant General St Pancras, Middlesex, England

You may find information regarding pupils at the school

http://www.hertfordshire-genealogy.co.uk/data/education/hertford-christs-hospital.htm

Note the contact details in the yellow box.

Chris

Possible in 1881?


Alex Langley

in the 1881 England Census
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Name: Alex Langley
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1872
Relationship to Head: Scholar
Gender: Male
Where born: New Barnet, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Hertford St John
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England
Street address: "Christs Hospital Hertford School"
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Hertford
ED, institution, or vessel: Chnsts Hospital Hereford School for Boys and Girls
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1425
Folio: 114
Page Number: 13

Given his stated Place of birth as Hackney on the 1901 census, I wonder about this as his family - so born after John and before Elizabeth who was also born Hackney. Alexander is not there but there is the Alexander printed out below away at school - Place of birth given as Barnet (about 10 miles from Hackney - the family may have been there when he was born but in late life he called Hackney home).

John b Bristol fits both this census and the 1871 posted by Malyon , looks as though Sophia may have died and Alexander Snr remarried to Mary Ann?

Alexander Seniors occupation is Cordwainer (shoemaker)


1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
8, Mount Street, Bethnal Green, London, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Alexander Langley Head Married Male 37 1844 Cordwainer Spitalfields, Middlesex, England
Maryann Langley Wife Married Female 35 1846 Sewer (Seamstress) Spitalfields, Middlesex, England
John Langley Son Single Male 11 1870 Scholar Bristol, Gloucestershire, England
Elizabeth Langley Daughter Single Female 8 1873 Scholar Hackney, Middlesex, England
Abraham Langley Son Single Male 6 1875 Scholar Hackney, Middlesex, England

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1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

First name(s) Alex
Last name Langley
Relationship Scholar
Marital status Single
Gender Male
Age 9
Birth year 1872
Occupation Scholar
Birth town New Barnet
Birth town as transcribed NEW BARNET
Birth county Middlesex
Birth county as transcribed MIDDLESEX
Birth place England
House name Christs Hospital Hertford School
Street -
Town -
Parish Hertford St John
County Hertfordshire
Country England
Registration district Hertford
Archive reference RG11
Piece number 1425
Folio 108
Page 1

EDIT - see post 3 below showing this Alexander in 1891