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SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 19 Oct 2015 00:36

This is a web site for the Connaught Ranges. It might be worth contacting them to see if they have any records from the era from the mid-1850s through to about 1880.

http://www.nam.ac.uk/research/famous-units/88th-regiment-foot-connaught-rangers

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 18 Oct 2015 17:03

This is possibly the first child born to Mary's second marriage:

British India Office Ecclesiastical Returns- Births & Baptisms
First name(s) Patrick
Last name Shanahan
Baptism year 1865
Place Cawnpore
Presidency Bengal
Mother's first name(s) Mary
Father's name(s) Patrick Shanahan (private 88th Regt)
Baptism date 10 Dec 1865
Birth date 01 Dec 1865
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and this is him 1901:

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
3, Foxhall Road Lidford Terrace, Ipswich St Clement, Ipswich, Suffolk, England

Patrick Shanahan Head Married Male 35 1866 Railway Labourer Cawnpore India
Louisa Shanahan Wife Married Female 29 1872 - Ipswich, Suffolk, England
Ethel Shanahan Daughter - Female 2 1899 - Ipswich, Suffolk, England
Winifred Shanahan Daughter - Female 0 1901 - Ipswich, Suffolk, England
Maurice Stainer Boarder Single Male 15 1886 Journeyman Butcher Bradfield, Essex,
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and then a dramatic change of job in 1911:

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
19 New Town Road Bps Stortford, Bishops Stortford, Hertfordshire, England

Louisa Miller Head Widow Female Lets Apartments 59 1852 Bishops Stortford Herts
Mabel Miller Daughter Single Female Upholsterer Sewing 24 1887 Bishops Stortford Herts
Ellen Hubbard Niece Single Female Dressmaker 21 1890 London North Dulwich
Patrick Shanahan Lodger Married Male Musician On Tour 45 1866 India Cawmpore Resident
John Morrall Lodger Single Male Musician On Tour 34 1877 Staffs Cannock

Next to 'Musician on tour' it says E.H Bostocks Circus- googling brings a lot of information up about this circus

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 18 Oct 2015 15:37

I believe this is another child of Mary & Michael

India Births and Baptisms

Name John Borke
Gender Male
Christening Date 10 Jun 1864
Christening Place Cawnpore, Bengal, India
Birth Date 28 May 1864
Father's Name Michael Borke
Mother's Name Mary
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However, he also died the same year as his father (both deaths state 'during the Cholera Visitation'- more widely known as the Indian Cholera Epidemic.

British India Office Ecclesiastical Returns - Deaths & Burials
name(s) John Burke
Birth year 1864
Death date 07 Sep 1864
Age 3 months
Burial date 07 Sep 1864
Place Lucknow
Presidency Bengal
Child in HM 88th Regt.

Michaelena

Michaelena Report 17 Oct 2015 23:18

I am confusing myself Margaret Burke was my g/ grandmother and it is her certs I have.
The details you have for the1901 census are correct .Know this as my grandmother was still in contact with them in 1940s. She died in 1949 when I was 4.
I did find what could be 2 sisters for Margaret born I India in 1866 and 1868 but as there was several families called Burke living in India at that time not sure especially now I have seen what could be a second marriage for Mary, would help if I could find Mary Burke's maiden name but not on either the birth and marriage certs I have.
Thanks Michaelena

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 17 Oct 2015 22:11

I think this is Julia in 1891, with her age wrongly transcribed. It looks more like 23 on the image

1891 Census

Name: Lylia Shanahan
Age: 33 <<<<<<<<<<<<< ??looks more like 23 on the image
Estimated birth year: abt 1858
Relation: Daughter
Mother's name: Mary Shanahan
Gender: Female
Where born: India
Civil Parish: Gorton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
Town: Manchester
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Chorlton
ED, institution, or vessel: 49

Piece: 3172
Folio: 110
Page Number: 11

Mary Shanahan 56 Widow
Lylia Shanahan 33 Dressmaker
Michael Shanahan 20 Engine Fitter Labourer
Mary A Shanahan 17 Waterproof Garment Maker

Address:- 111 Norton Street

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 17 Oct 2015 22:05

1881 Census

Name: Julia Shanahan
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Relationship to Head: Daughter
Father: Patrick Shanahan
Mother: Mary Shanahan
Gender: Female
Where born: Peshaurer, East Indies <<<<< Peshawar
Civil Parish: Gorton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 59 Norton St

Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Chorlton
ED, institution, or vessel: 35

Piece: 3901
Folio: 104
Page Number: 8

Patrick Shanahan 48 b.ca 1833, Nema Tipperary, Ireland, Labourer Iron Foundry
Mary Shanahan 49 b.ca 1832, Dicest Cheser, Ireland <<<<< it certainly looks like this!
Julia Shanahan 13
Michael Shanahan 11 b.ca 1870, Agra, East Indies
Mary Ann Shanahan 8 b.ca 1873, Peshaurer, East Indies

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 17 Oct 2015 21:52

?? Marriage of Nicholas and Julia


Marriages Jun 1893 (>99%)

Mulryan Nicholas Chorlton 8c 1271
Shanahan Julia Chorlton 8c 1271



so was Julia the child of Mary Burke by her second husband Patrick Shanahan .......

Marriage found by AustinQ and posted above ............

British India Office Ecclesiastical Returns - Marriages Transcription

name(s) Mary Burke (widow 88th regiment)
Marriage date 7 Jan 1865
Spouse's first name Patrick
Spouse's last name Shanahan
Place Cawnpore
Presidency Bengal
Groom's age 32
Bride's age 30
Groom's father's first name Michael
Bride's father's first name Andrew
Archive reference N-1-111 Folio number 190
Record set British India Office marriages

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 17 Oct 2015 21:47

Are these Millicent and your Great-grandmother in 1901???

1901 Census

Name: Millicent L Moore
Age: 15
Estimated birth year: abt 1886
Relation to Head: Niece
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: South Manchester
Search Photos: Search for 'South Manchester' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Ecclesiastical parish: Gorton St Mark
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Ardwick
ED, institution, or vessel: 082

Piece: 3685
Folio: 114
Page Number: 10
Household schedule number: 62

Nicholas Mulryan 33 b.ca 1868, Manchester, Iron Turner Fitter
Julia Mulryan 33 b.ca 1868, India
Julia Mulryan 5
Nicholas Mulryan 1
Millicent L Moore 15 Dressmaker's Apprentice
Margaret Moore 7 b.ca 1894, Manchester

Address:- 43 Margaret Street

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 17 Oct 2015 21:39

I am confused ................. not an unusual state :-)


In you OP, you say ...............

trying to trace my G/GRANDFATHER who was a Pt in 88th Reg.,6 Rangers in India in 1860's. His wife was named Mary and they had a daughter Margaret in 1862 while stationed in Shajehampore


Then in your second post, you say ................

I have a copy of MARGARET's birth cert and her marriage certificate [both events took place in India] also know that SHE and her husband died in 1893 in Manchester,the same year my G/GrRANDMOTHER was born she and her sister Millicent went to live with the Mulryan family in Manchester



was your great grandmother the daughter of Margaret Burke and her husband??

Was Margaret's husband Arthur Moor(e)?

Are we therefore looking for Margaret's Father?

If so, that means we are looking for your 3 x gr grandfather?

Is that correct?



SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 17 Oct 2015 21:27

well, if you have their marriage certificate .............. what is the name of Michael Burke's father, and his occupation?

If you know they both died in 1893 in Manchester, then most of the information found for you is wrong, as the deaths found by AustinQ and others are wrong, as those men died in India and much earlier.

Do you have the death certificates??? The name of the informant is often very helpful.

Michaelena

Michaelena Report 17 Oct 2015 20:57

Thank you for all your replies,I have a copy of Margaret's birth cert and her marriage certificate [both events took place in India] also know that she and her husband died in 1893 in Manchester,the same year my G/Grandmother was born she and her sister Millicent went to live with the Mulryan family in Manchester,think they were her Aunt and Uncle.
I have not been able to confirm any details of her parents prior to her birth in India or what happened to them, think she had 2 siblings both girls again no details of their lives.
Will check all the infor.you have given me hoping it will take me forward.

Michaelena

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 17 Oct 2015 17:39

I did state he was listed as unmarried, but that it was still a possibility.
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If above (1901 census) is the correct family, and Mary did remarry, then this is a possible death for Michael:

British India Office Ecclesiastical Returns - Deaths & Burials Transcription

name(s) Michael Burke (Private H.M. 88)
Birth year 1829
Death date 31 Aug 1864
Age 35Y 7M
Burial date 31 Aug 1864
Place Lucknow
Presidency Bengal
Archive Reference N-1-110 Page 192
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Listed again- slightly different year of birth, but same man:

name(s) Michael Burke (Private H M 88th regiment)
Birth year 1826
Death date 31 Aug 1864
Age 38
Burial date 01 Sep 1864
Place Cawnpore
Presidency Bengal
Archive Reference N-1-109 Page 224

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 17 Oct 2015 17:26

I looked at the actual image for Michael Burke age 20, as posted by AustinQ

It states that he is Unmarried.

I would put my vote toward the first Michael Burke, age 34, as a possible, as the image does say Married.

There is always of course a possibility that Michael age 20 married after the census before leaving England.

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 17 Oct 2015 17:20

Is this Margaret with Arthur in 1891?

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Gorton Brook Street, Gorton, Chorlton, Lancashire, England

Arthur Moor Head Married Male 39 1852 Gas Fitters Labourer Nottinghamshire,
Margaret Moor Wife Married Female 28 1863 - India
Arthur Moor Son Single Male 10 1881 Scholar India
Transcription
John Moor Son Single Male 7 1884 Scholar Dorchester, Dorset, England
Millicent Moor Daughter Single Female 5 1886 Scholar Dorchester, Dorset, England
Fred Moor Son Single Male 3 1888 - Dorchester, Dorset,
Winefred J Moor Daughter Single Female 0 1891 - Lancashire,

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And is this the children in 1901?:

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
1, Soapery Street, South Manchester, Chorlton, Lancashire, England

Mary Shanahan Head Widow Female 66 1835 - Ireland
Mary A Shanahan Daughter Single Female 27 1874 Waterproof Garment Maker East Indies
Arthur Moore Grand Son Single Male 20 1881 Engine Fitter Loco East Indies
Frederick Moore Grand Son Single Male 13 1888 Apprentice House Shoe Making Dorchester
Winifred Moore Grand Daughter - Female 10 1891 - Manchester, Lancashire,
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So, did Margaret's mother, Mary, marry again? Or is this a different family?
Possible remarriage for mother:

British India Office Ecclesiastical Returns - Marriages Transcription
name(s) Mary Burke (widow 88th regiment)
Marriage date 7 Jan 1865
Spouse's first name Patrick
Spouse's last name Shanahan
Place Cawnpore
Presidency Bengal
Groom's age 32
Bride's age 30
Groom's father's first name Michael
Bride's father's first name Andrew
Archive reference N-1-111 Folio number 190
Record set British India Office marriages

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 17 Oct 2015 16:38

There is another Michael Burke at the same barracks in 1861, unmarried, but still a possibility:

Name: Michael Burke
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: 1841
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Civil Parish: Colchester St Botolph
County/Island: Essex
Registration district: Colchester
Sub-registration district: Colchester First Ward
ED, institution, or vessel: Colchester Infantry Barracks
Household schedule number: 1
Piece: 1097 Folio: 162 Page Number: 22

Cynthia

Cynthia Report 17 Oct 2015 16:28

I'll let Michaelena know how to find her replies :-)

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 17 Oct 2015 13:24

The Wikipedia page quoted from by Sylvia also says that the Connaught Rangers "recruited mainly in the province of Connacht"

Looking at Connacht, on Wikipedia, it says it covers Galway, Mayo, Sligo, Roscommon, & Leitrim - doesn't help much to narrow down a search for Michael!


This will be the Michael Burke in Colchester, as per the record posted by MC - it doesn't specify where in Ireland he was born, but does give his age. It also says he's married:


Michael Burke

in the 1861 England Census
Name: Michael Burke
Age: 27
Estimated birth year: 1834
Where born: Ireland
Civil Parish: Colchester St Botolph
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: Colchester
Sub-registration district: Colchester First Ward
ED, institution, or vessel: Colchester Infantry Barracks
Household schedule number: 1
Piece: 1097
Folio: 160
Page Number: 17

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 17 Oct 2015 10:23

Slightly different version of the baptism posted by malyon:

British India Office Ecclesiastical Returns- Births & Baptisms Transcription

First name(s) Margaret
Last name Burke
Baptism year 1862
Birth year 1862
Place Bareilly
Presidency Bengal
Mother's first name(s) Mary
Mother's last name -
Father's first name(s) Michael
Father's last name Burke
Baptism date 21 May 1862
Birth date 06 Apr 1862
Archive reference N-1-101
Folio 383
Page -
Catalogue descriptions Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bengal

On the image, Michael Burke is a PT 88th Regt C Rangers (not 6 Rangers) so that would indeed be the Connaughts.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 17 Oct 2015 10:17

There are a few possible sets of service records on FindMyPast so Michaelina needs to provide some further information.

ADDED:

Possibly -

1861 Worldwide Army Index Transcription

First name Michael
Last name Burke
Service number 850
Rank Private
Unit or Regiment 88th Foot (Connaught Rangers) Depot
Regiment stationed at Colchester
Year 1861
National Archives reference WO12 / 9070

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 17 Oct 2015 01:38

Burke could be an Irish name


Googling "88th Regiment 6 Ranges" provides all kinds of information .............. indicating that it was indeed an Irish Regiment

from Wikipedia ...........

History

The regiment was raised on 25 September 1793 from the men of Connaught by John Thomas de Burgh, 13th Earl of Clanricard.

The 88th were deployed to India in response to the Indian Mutiny in July 1857 in four detachments. It arrived in Calcutta in November. The Connaught Rangers served in India until 1870.




Soooooooooooooo ...................

it looks as though you should be looking for Irish records.