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Hi All,
The twins were admitted to Holy Trinity Industrial Schools in 1911 after the death of their parents Joseph Jones died 1910 and Ellen Jones died 1909.The girls school was at 13 Nile Street, Liverpool and the boys 73/77 Grafton Street, Liverpool. They are my maternal grandmothers sister and brother. Does anyone know how I find out what happened to them after they were admitted?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks
Ellie

Hi Elaine.

Have you tried checking other peoples' trees to see if they share any of these relatives? Use search box above right.

This must be them. Sometimes you can use birth date to find a death online, providing this occurred 1970-2007

Name: George Jones
Birth Date: 7 Aug 1900
Baptism Date: 2 Sep 1900
Baptism Place: St. Stephen's, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Father: Joseph Jones
Mother: Ellen Jones
FHL Film Number: 1656677
Reference ID: item 4 p 256 rn 2045

Name: Elizabeth Jones
Birth Date: 7 Aug 1900
Baptism Date: 2 Sep 1900
Baptism Place: St. Stephen's, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Father: Joseph Jones
Mother: Ellen Jones
FHL Film Number: 1656677
Reference ID: item 4 p 256 rn 2044

The only likely-looking one I can find for George is this (informants often get YOB wrong, but not usually birth date). However, George Jones is a very common name so a really long shot:

Name: George Jones
Birth Date: 7 Aug 1901
Date of Registration: Dec 1978
Age at Death: 77
Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil
Inferred County: Mid-Glamorgan
Volume: 27
Page: 0046

I think there is a tree on Ancestry with them on, is that yours?
Jan

Many thanks for the information, I haven't checked other trees yet as I only found out recently that they were twins. I hadn't been aware of Elizabeth's existence, only George. I'm impressed that you found that information so quickly and took the time to let me know. Thank you :-)

Would you mind explaining the reference numbers to me? i.e. FHL & Reference ID? what do they refer to? Sorry to bombard you with questions but fairly new at this.

Many thanks
Elaine

Hi Jan,

No that's not my tree, do you have to register with Ancestry to be able to view it?

Elaine

I would think these are likely to be the births (twins usually have the same page number or consecutive page numbers - if one is at the bottom of the page and the other is the first name on the next page):-

First name(s) ELIZABETH
Last name JONES
Birth year 1900
Birth quarter 3
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District LIVERPOOL
County Lancashire
Country England
Volume 8B
Page 55

and:-

First name(s) GEORGE
Last name JONES
Birth year 1900
Birth quarter 3
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District LIVERPOOL
County Lancashire
Country England
Volume 8B
Page 56

Kath.x

FHL stands for Family History Library (Latter Day Saints in Salt Lake City).

You can order the films of baptisms from your nearest LDS Family History Centre. You can find your nearest centre here:-

https://familysearch.org/locations/

Kath.x

Hi Elaine.

I copied the baptism records directly from Ancestry - not sure what those letters stand for, but they are obviously references so the records can be located. ID is identity I guess, FHL might be Family History Library perhaps?

You do have to be an Ancestry member to view trees, however the one I referred to is private, so slthough a member I can't view them either!

If you want me to contact the tree owner, quite happy to.

Jan

Elaine...Elizabeth was still there 1911...I found this (1911 Census)..

184 JONES, Elizabeth Inmate F 10 1901 School Lancs Lpool .

I don't have access to the Census but someone had transcribed the above Census when searching for someone also there.

You could also check the "Home Children" data base if you have no luck finding her..
http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/immigration/immigration-records/home-children-1869-1930/immigration-records/Pages/immigration-records.aspx

This is unproven but worth checking out, there is an Eliza Jones born 1901 on the Home Children database - arrives 1912 on the Corsican. Party from Liverpool Sheltering Home, Mrs. Birt

A tree (unsourced) on Ancestry has Elizabeth Jones born 7 Aug 1900 married to Daniel Armeneau. She died 1975.

This is the Canada 1921 Census:

Name: Elizabeth Armeneau
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Married
Age: 20
Birth Year: abt 1901
Birth Place: England
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Spouse's Name: Daniel Armeneau
Father Birth Place: England
Mother Birth Place: England
Year of Immigration: 1911
Racial or Tribal Origin: English
Province or Territory: Saskatchewan
District: Last Mountain
District Number: 218
Sub-District Number: 33
City, Town or Village: Wilner
Section Number: 34
Township Number: 27
Range Number: 2
Meridian Number: 3
Municipality: Wilner

Household Members:
Name Age
Daniel Armeneau 29
Elizabeth Armeneau 20
Lillian Armeneau 1

Elizabeth as transcribed from the details found by Eringobragh. One of many children.

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

First name(s) Elizabeth
Last name Jones
Relationship Inmate
Sex Female
Occupation School
Age 10
Birth year 1901
Birth place Lancs Lpool
Address 13 Nile Street Liverpool
Parish Liverpool
County Lancashire
Country England
Archive reference RG14
Registration district Liverpool
Registration district number 453
Enumeration district 20
District number -
Sub district Abercromby
Sub district number 3
Census reference RG14PN22194 RD453 SD3 ED20 SN184
Piece number 22194

The records for the school are held at the Lancashire Archives. It may be worth contacting them.

http://www.lancashire.gov.uk/libraries-and-archives/archives-and-record-office.aspx

:-)

Thank you all very much for your time and effort. I really appreciate your help and assistance.

MarieCeleste,
I am amazed, my mum and her sister Pat went to visit cousins in Alberta, Canada when I was a little girl but because their surname was Armeneau, I never made the connection. You can probably hear the penny drop :-) I was unaware of Elizabeth's existence so had been searching for George Jones only. I have managed to find a copy of Elizabeths headstone on the canadianheadstones.com website. I don't know how to thank you. As there's a George Armeneau headstone too, I'm wondering if they were adopted by the Armeneau family but sooo happy that they survived and lived long lives. Huge thanks to everyone .

Elaine....Given the age of Ellen when she died (40) ..were there other children you haven't located.....was Joseph who died 1910.(.under a year old) their child also ?

A tree on Ancestry has the following children for Elizabeth and Daniel ......



Lillian May Armeneau
Birth 11 May 1920 in Davidson, Saskatchewan, Canada
Death 20 Apr 2004 in St. Louis, Missouri, USA

George William Armeneau
Birth 18 May 1923 in Davidson, Saskatchewan, Canada
Death 9 Jan 2000 in Sylvan Lake, Alberta, Canada

Lawrence Daniel Armeneau
Birth 10 Jul 1925 in Davidson, Saskatchewan, Canada
Death Sep 28 1994


George William married in England in 1944 ...............

Name: George W Armeneau
Spouse Surname: Smith
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1944
Registration district: Prescot
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume Number: 8b
Page Number: 1208

Spouse:- Margaret E Smith



I wonder if Margaret's middle name was Ellen, and IF that grave for George and Ellen is actually for these tow, ie the son and daughter-in-law of Elizabeth and Daniel?

This is the record for that marriage from the lancsbmd site, with George's surname mispelled ..........


Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1944
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference

SMITH Margaret E ARMENEAN George E Prescot Register Office or Registrar Attended Prescot R/13A/188

??? George's wife



Margaret Armeneau

UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960

Name: Margaret Armeneau
Gender: Female
Age: 27
Birth Date: abt 1922
Departure Date: 24 May 1949
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Destination Port: Montreal, Canada
Ship Name: Empress Of France
Search Ship Database: Search for the Empress Of France in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: Canadian Pacific
Official Number: 160482
Master: B B Grant

from image:-

Last Address in UK:- 20 Fairclough Rd, Huyton, Liverpool
Occupation:- Housewife
Country of future Permanent Residence:- Canada

Travelled First Class

It looks like she came home to see family .............


UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960

Name: Margaret E Armeneau
Birth Date: abt 1922
Age: 27
Port of Departure: St John, New Brunswick, Canada
Arrival Date: 23 Feb 1949
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ports of Voyage: St John
Ship Name: Empress of Canada
Search Ship Database: Search for the Empress of Canada in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: Canadian Pacific Line
Official Number: 160631

Going to 20 Fairclough Road, Huyton, Liverpool
Housewife
Country of Permanent Residence:- Canada

Travelled Tourist Class

Thank you all, this is just so amazing, I feel like I just won the lottery. Thanks xx

Wow, that's great research isn't it.
Just to say I did contact the Ancestry tree owner, who has now replied. She says her great-grandfather was their sibling Cornelius, if that rings a bell. However she too couldn't find out anything about the twins.
She does now though!
Jan