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im researching my great grandfathers second marriage to a fanny Ayles.She was a widow when he married her in louth, lincolnshire in 1901.She was born fanny harris in chichester, daughter of Alfred Harris.She first marris Felix john ayles in 1879, croydon.H died in 1890.Fanny appears in 1891 census as a widow, living in croydon and in 1881 she was married but lodging with friend but under the name of Frances Ayles..(no sign of her husband felix)On her marriage certificate to felix it states her father was avitular or innkeeper and her brother charles johnaton was a witness.I have found her on 1861 census in with mother Sarah...says father away and comercial traveler.1861 they are in hampshire lodging with alfreds father...both vitulars.In 1871, alfred is a reporter in epsom, surry.
The mystery is, i order the second marriage certificate of fanny and my great grandfather john sawyer for and it states fanny was a widow and her father alfred was a lawyer and dosent say he was deceased.The only alfred harris lawyer i can find is in 1871 supposedly the son of thomas horwood,,,unfortunatly it was a transcript error but is the only sign of alfred and a lawyer(barristor and funnily enough he was isle of wight where my alfred was born
Any suggestions would be appreciated
thanks

a relative?

Name Felix John Ayles
Event Type Death
Registration Quarter Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration Year 1890
Registration District Croydon
County Surrey
Event Place Croydon, Surrey, England
Age (available after 1866) 98
Birth Year (Estimated) 1792
Volume 2A
Page 167
Line Number 179

Name Felix John Ayles
Event Type Marriage
Registration Quarter Apr-May-Jun
Registration Year 1879
Registration District Croydon
County Surrey
Event Place Croydon, Surrey, England
Volume 2A
Page 232
Line Number 84

Name Fanny Harris
Event Type Birth Registration
Registration Quarter Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration Year 1847
Registration District Chichester
County Sussex
Event Place Chichester, Sussex, England
Volume 7
Page 341
Line Number 4

Hi
I'm confused by your post. She was a widow when she married in 1901, isn't that correct?


For Ref


Marriages Sep 1901 (>99%)

Ayles Fanny Louth 7a 1299
Ford John Sawyer Louth 7a 1299

Name:Fanny Ford

Age in 1911:58

Estimated birth year:abt 1853

Relation to Head:Wife

Gender:Female

Birth Place:Chichester, Sussex, England

Civil Parish:Croydon

County/Island:Surrey

Street address:24 Northway Road, Croydon

Marital Status:Married

Years Married:10

Estimated Marriage Year:1901

Registration district:Croydon

Registration District Number:39

Sub-registration district:North Croydon

ED, institution, or vessel:1

Household schedule number:124

Piece:3368

Household Members:


Name

Age


John Sawyer Ford 58
Fanny Ford 58
Lizzie Twine 30
Annie Ford 31
Marion Ford 15
Winton Twine 1


Edit: Her father may have been deceased and it wasn't mentioned on the marriage certificate, quite normal

Are you sure the occupation of her father was 'lawyer' and not 'sawyer'

Name Charles Ino Harris
Event Type Census
Event Date 1871
Event Place Epsom, Epsom, Surrey, England
Enumeration District 6f
Gender Male
Age 18
Marital Status Single
Occupation Butcher
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Birth Year (Estimated) 1853
Birthplace Southwark, Surrey
Entry Number 12
Affiliate Image Identifier GBC/1871/0798/0239


Alfred Harris Head M 49 West Cowes, Isle Of Man
Sarah Harris Wife F 50 Chichester, Sussex
Fanny Harris Daughter F 24 Chichester, Sussex
Mary Turner Harris Daughter F 22 Southsea, Hampshire
Charles Ino Harris Son M 18 Southwark, Surrey
Thomas Joseph Harris Son M 16 Holloway, Middlesex
Harry Harris Son M 14 Peckham, Surrey

Harris Alfred Reporter 50 Worplesdon (sic) Rd, Epsom 23 July 1872

http://www.epsomandewellhistoryexplorer.org.uk/EpsomCemeteryBurialsH.html


Deaths Sep 1872 (>99%)
---------------------------------------------
HARRIS Alfred 50 Epsom 2a 7

(if relating)

Chris :)

edits (Marriage on Surrey, Ancestry, as Felix Ayler)

thanks folks...yes i have all this information and yes fanny was a widow in 1901 when she married my great grandfather on 30th september , so she would have been on 1901 census living in louth as fanny ayles as the census was usualy taken in april.The marriage certificate definatly says her father was a lawyer.Fannys age on marriage certificate in 1901 says age 46 so would have been born 1855 but on marriage to felix ayles , in 1879 , says age 29 so born 1850...the age dosent tally on marriages or census

the adress of fanny ayles on marriage certificate was...7 norfolks place, louth lincolnshire

on 1901 census it says fanny was born 1858 so another discrepency

Have you got her Death?...

(apologies if posted somewhere!)

Chris :)

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
31, Maiden Row, Louth, Lincolnshire, England

Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Fanny Ayles Head Widow Female 43 1858 Nurse Chichester, Sussex, England

Original does show Fanny as aged 43 - what age was she on the marriage certificate to your great grandfather (EDIT see you have put that as 46) - had she "lost" a few years to bridge a larger age difference? Or did whoever completed the form not know her age and took a guess?

England & Wales marriages 1837-2008 Transcription

First name(s) FANNY
Last name AYLES
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1901
MarriageFinder™ FANNY AYLES married JOHN SAWYER FORD
District LOUTH
County Lincolnshire
Country England
Volume 7A
Page 1299

A bit older here but still younger than she should be

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
24 Northway Road Croydon, Croydon, Surrey, England

Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
John Sawyer Ford Head Married Male House Printer 58 1853 Kingscurlswell Devonshire
Fanny Ford Wife Married Female - 58 1853 Sussex Chicherster
Lezzie Irvine Daughter Married Female - 30 1881 London Paddington
Annie Ford Daughter Single Female Nurse Children Sick Nurse 31 1880 London Paddington
Marion Ford Daughter Single Female Pacher In Laundry 15 1896 Chisher Chester
Winton Irvine Grandson - Male - 1 1910 Trinidad West Indies

Is this great grandad's death?

England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription

First name(s) JOHN S
Last name FORD
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1853
Age 69
Death quarter 1
Death year 1922
District HASTINGS
County Sussex
Volume 2B
Page 51

yes thats my great grandfathers death...fanny seems to change ages a lot im afraid, thats what makes it so confusing.on marriage certificate for my great grandfather it says she was 46 so was born in 1855

According to the 1881 census, Fanny's father was already dead as Sarah says she is a widow, so perhaps she "bigged him up" for her husband to be

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Oval RD, 1, Claremont Terrace, Croydon, Surrey, England

Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Sarah Harris Head Widow Female 60 1821 - Chichester, Sussex, England
Harry Harris Son Single Male 23 1858 Cashier Croydon, Surrey, England

? Alfred's death - the family are in Epsom on the 1871 census

England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription

First name(s) ALFRED
Last name HARRIS
Gender Male
Birth year 1822
Age 50
Death quarter 3
Death year 1872
District EPSOM
County Surrey
Volume 2A
Page 7

yes i thought that as well as my great grandfather was an N.SPCC inspector and was very respected

On the 1871 census, Alfred is listed as a 'reporter'

The NSPCC was not founded until 1884 (I think)

Edit: He's a 'vitular' on the 1861