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Looking for records of my husbands grandfather John Sherman born 5/12/1885. (From army papers).It was said that he was born in Ireland but on his enlistment papers he said he was born in Spitalfields, London! He died 19/10/1948. He was married to Lawrie Beatrice Pyrke on 20/10/1919. They had 4 girls and 4 boys. He was in the merchant service (a stoker) up until 1914 when he enlisted. He put his next of kin as a sister Kate Redden on his papers as living in Lower Edmonton. None of his children are still alive and nobody in the family knows anything about him except what I have found from records.I don't know where else to look now and am tearing my hair out. Any suggestions or help will be really appreciated. Thanks. Lesley Sherman.

Welcome to the boards.

You quote the date he was married. Does this mean you have the certificate? What details does it give for his father?

Are the witnesses from his wife's side, or could they from be his?

they married in London
Name: John Sherman
Spouse Surname: Pyrke
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1919
Registration district: Islington
Inferred County: London
Volume Number: 1b
Page Number: 699
Find Spouse: Find Spouse

I have the marriage certificate . It was in a Registry Office in Islington London. He says that his father was William ( deceased) The witnesses were R E Chapman and M A Smith. His father was a dock labourer. Thanks for the reply. Lesley.

Royal Marines 1899-1919
First name(s) John
Last name Sherman
Birth year 1885
Service number 424 S
Division(s) full text Royal Marine Light Infantry: Chatham Division Short Service
Birth date 05 Dec 1885
Date(s) of enrolment 19 Oct 1914
Archive reference ADM 159/143/424
Catalogue description Admiralty: Royal Marines: Registers of Service
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory Service Records
Collections from Great Britain

discharged 2/10/1918, invalided from hospital Chatham

A tree on ancestry has this as his birth

Name:
John Sherman

Registration Year:1883
Registration Quarter:Oct-Nov-Dec

Registration district:West Ham

Inferred County:Essex

Volume:4a
Page:240
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and family as
Spouse
Lawrie Beatrice Pyrke1893 – 1975

child
Lily M Sherman1927 – 2003


Make of this as you will

Thanks Mike. I will look into this. Lesley

Thanks Maddie I have found his Army History already. This is why I'm wondering now if he was born in Ireland or Spitalfields! Very frustrating.

Lawrie Beatrice Sherman died 1975 so why would he put his sister as next of kin ?
Did they split up?

Address on Discharge as,
103 Holly Street, Dalston Lane, looks crossed through perhaps, then,
3, Pleasant Place, Essex Road, Islington.

(if anything on Electoral!)

Chris :)

http://www.londontown.com/LondonStreets/holly_street_bb7.html/

Hi. John Sherman put his Sister as next of kin on his enlistment papers in 1914. He didn't marry Lawrie Pyrke until 1919. Lesley

Doh ...

Thanks Lesley

1911 (Find My Past)
Walter C Raddon Head Married Male Tonnage Checker 30 1881 Islington Middlesex
Catherine Raddon Wife Married Female - 32 1879 Spitalfields
Walter C Raddon Son - Male - 10 1901 Islington
Fred W Raddon Son - Male - 8 1903 Tottenham
Ivy G Raddon Daughter - Female - 2 1909 Edmonton
Address 2 Sunnyside Road E Lower Edmonton
Parish Edmonton
County Middlesex
Census reference RG14 PN7367 RG78 PN357 RD132 SD5 ED17 SN329
(says Married 11yrs, 4 children born, 3 living, 1 died)

(above was given as address for Kate)

Chris :)

edits (apologies folks, having to go!)

Chris you have just made me very happy. I was stumped. I never thought of Raddon. This gives me so much more to go on now. Thank you so much. Lesley

Just wondering if the is the sister's marriage ( not Sherman though )


Marriages Jun 1901
GUNNER George Whitechapel 1c 451
PHILLIPS Florence Beatrice Whitechapel 1c 451
Raddon Walter Whitechapel 1c 451
Sherringham Catherine Whitechapel 1c 451

Catherine's marriage

Name: Catherine Sherringham
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Age: 22
Spouse: Walter Raddon
Spouse Age: 20
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 7 Apr 1901
Parish: Christ Church with St Mary and St Stephen, Spitalfields
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: William Sherringham - looks like crean nut opener :-S
Spouse Father: Thomas Raddon
Register Type: Parish Register

Brides address 7 Ashford House, Puma? Court
Witnesses John Samworth and M Samworth

If this is the correct family, he either lied about both his name and age or else there is a mix up somewhere.

1891

Name:
Johnny Sherringham

Age:10
Estimated birth year:abt 1881

Relation:Son

Father's name:William Sherringham
Mother's name:Catherine Sherringham

Where born:Spitalfields, London, England

Civil Parish:Christchurch



William Sherringham 36 - general dealer - Spitalfields, London
Catherine Sherringham 36
Ann Sherringham 16
William Sherringham 14
Katie Sherringham 12 - Spitalfields, London
Johnny Sherringham 10 - Spitalfields, London
Alfred Sherringham 8
Alexander Sherringham 6
Ada Sherringham 4
Sarah Sherringham 2

1891

Name: Katie Sherringham
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: William Sherringham
Mother's name: Catherine Sherringham
Gender: Female
Where born: Spitalfields, London, England
Civil Parish: Christchurch
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Whitechapel
Sub registration district: Spitalfields
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 273
Folio: 76
Page Number: 23
Household Members:
Name Age
William Sherringham 36 - 1855 Spitalfields, London, England
Catherine Sherringham 36 - 1855 Bishopsgate, London, England
Ann Sherringham 16 - 1875 - Spitalfields
William Sherringham 14 - 1877 - Spitalfields, London, England
Katie Sherringham 12
Johnny Sherringham 10 - 1881 Spitalfields, London, England
Alfred Sherringham 8 - 1883 Spitalfields, London, England
Alexander Sherringham 6 - 1885 Spitalfields, London, England
Ada Sherringham 4 - 1887 Spitalfields, London, England
Sarah Sherringham 2 - 1889 Spitalfields, London, England

The address is the same as the MC. William is listed as a self employed General
Dealer

1901

Catharine Sheringham 22
Sarah Sheringham 20 - sister
Alfred Sheringham 18 - brother
John Sheringham 16 - brother
Alexander Sheringham 13 - brother

It looks as if Catherine snr died

Deaths Dec 1898 (>99%)
Sherringham Catherine 40 Whitechapel 1c 170

William re-married or co-habited

Name: William Sheringham
Age: 46
Estimated birth year: abt 1855
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Eliza Sheringham
Birth Place: Spitalfields, London, England
Civil Parish: Spitalfields
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 7 Puma Court
Occupation: - Warehouse man
Registration district: Whitechapel
Sub-registration district: Spitalfields
ED, institution, or vessel: 04
Piece: 297
Folio: 103
Page Number: 49
Household schedule number: 273
Household Members:
Name Age
William Sheringham 46
Eliza Sheringham 35
William Morris 11 - Stepson
George Morris 5 - Stepson
Harry Fulda 18 - lodger

1911
Name: William Sheringham
Age in 1911: 57
Estimated birth year: abt 1854
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Spitalfields
Civil Parish: Spitalfields
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 7 Ashford House, Puma Court, Spitalfields E <<<<<<
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: COKERNUT PORTER, Fruit market <<<<<<
Registration district: Whitechapel
Registration District Number: 18
Sub-registration district: Spitalfields
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Piece: 1455
Household Members:
Name Age
William Sheringham 57
Eliza Sheringham 46
Albert Sheringham 9
James Sheringham 8
Eliza Sheringham 5

Children all born Spitalfields. Says he's been married 10 years with 4 children born alive from this 'marriage' one of whom has died

the crean nut opener from Catherines MC must have been Coconut Porter
...

Added -- marriage, Only one R
Marriages Dec 1900 (>99%)
Morris Eliza Amelia Whitechapel 1c 465
Sheringham William Whitechapel 1c 465