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Maurice

Maurice Report 25 Jun 2015 16:52

My cousin was looking into that actual birth as well, but he has yet to get back to me on that one.

Interesting you should mention it also.

Regards
Maurice.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 25 Jun 2015 16:43

Can't help wondering if the child James Alexander S Diack might have been Maggie's child, although he's registered as the child of the Diack parents.

1896 DIACK JAMES ALEXANDER M ST NICHOLAS ABERDEEN CITY/ABERDEEN 168/01 1474

James Alexander Stevenson Diack, born 2nd October 1896, at 98 Gerrard Street.

Maurice

Maurice Report 25 Jun 2015 16:39

Thank you for the link ArgyllGran, it is most welcome in coming to understand the record.

Best wishes Maurice.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 25 Jun 2015 16:27

It must have been counted as an actual marriage, as it's in the official marriage register, and has the signature of the assistant registrar in the last column.

Having had another look at the marriage cert, I see it was an "irregular" marriage.
Perhaps they had eloped, as she was only 19 - maybe didn't have parents' consent? The witnesses are Margaret's brother and sister.

The second last column is headed, "If a regular marriage, signature of officiating minister and witnesses. If irregular, date of . . . . Sheriff's Warrant."
For their marriage, it says, "Warrant of Sheriff Substitute of Aberdeen, Kincardine & Banff, dated 27th September 1897."

At the bottom of the page, the columns are numbered, so I think the words in the left margin are "Erasure Col. 5" and initials.
Column 5 is the one with the parents' names, and it does look as if there may have been a correction to the end of the name "Jane".

Interesting stuff re irregular marriages here:
http://tinyurl.com/a8vapk3

As she was back living with her parents in 1901, maybe they listed her as Diack because they didn't approve of the marriage.

Maurice

Maurice Report 25 Jun 2015 15:30

Thank you for all the information ArgyllGran, that is indeed Margaret on the censuses and the marriage record.

I have the marriage record but have no idea the meaning is in the left hand column but have been told the cert is a form of banns or marriage of intent.

I have not seen the original 1901 census for Margaret Ann Diack only the one off Ancestry, so thank you for the information that she is married on that one.

I find it strange that she is listed as married though in 1901 but retains her Diack surname. Perhaps she is useing the intention of marriage cert to justify that.
Or perhaps that's the way they did things then in Scotland.
Your input is greatly appreciated.

Best wishes
Maurice.



ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 25 Jun 2015 14:05

Had a look at the 1901 census.
Although Margaret's listed with surname Diack, she's listed as married.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 25 Jun 2015 13:34

Details from marriage cert ( not a church wedding):

27 Sept 1897, in Peterhead, by declaration in presence of John Diack, plumber, and Mary Helen Diack, fancy box maker.
A Morrison, clothier, bachelor, age 21, usual residence 596 George Street, Aberdeen.
Parents: Alexander Morrison, clothier, and Jane Morrison, ms Stewart.

Margaret A G Diack, machinist, spinster, age 19, usual residence 98 Gerrard Street, Peterhead.
Parents: Alexander Diack, comb maker, and Margaret Ann Diack, ms Grant.

There's something written in the margin of the cert, which I can't decipher.
Looks like "Erasure [?? something] 5", and something which might be initials

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 25 Jun 2015 13:21

Marriage, with place:

1897 MORRISON ALEXANDER
DIACK MARGARET A G
PETERHEAD /ABERDEEN 232/01 0085

Looks like Maggie's birth:

1878 DIACK MARGARET ANN GR(ANT)
F ST NICHOLAS ABERDEEN CITY/ABERDEEN 168/01 0947


Margaret A G Diack

in the 1881 Scotland Census
Name: Margaret A G Diack
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Relationship: Daughter (Child)
Father's name: Alexander Diack
Mother's name: Margaret Ann Diack
Gender: Female
Where born: Aberdeen, Aberdeenshire
Registration Number: 168/1
Registration district: St Nicholas
Civil Parish: Aberdeen St Nicholas
County: Aberdeenshire
Address: 5 Windy Wynd
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 59
Household schedule number: 23
LINE: 11
Roll: cssct1881_51
Household Members:
Name Age
Alexander Diack 25
Margaret Ann Diack 22
John Grant Diack 4
Margaret A G Diack 2
Mary H W Diack 5 Mo



Margaret A G Diack
in the 1891 Scotland Census
Name: Margaret A G Diack
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Relationship: Daur (Child)
Father's name: Alexander Diack
Mother's name: Margaret A Diack
Gender: Female
Where born: Aberdeen
Registration Number: 168/1
Registration district: St Nicholas
Civil Parish: Aberdeen St Nicholas
County: Aberdeenshire
Address: 5 Windy Wynd
Occupation: Machinist Shirtmaker
ED: 52
Household schedule number: 108
LINE: 9
Roll: CSSCT1891_51
Household Members:
Name Age
Alexander Diack 35
Margaret A Diack 32
John G Diack 14
Margaret A G Diack 12
Mary H W Diack 10
Alexanderia Diack 8
George R Diack 3
Margaret Grant 65 - mother-in-law


But if that's her, she's still listed at home with parents, as Diack, in 1901:

Margaret Ann Diack

in the 1901 Scotland Census
Name: Margaret Ann Diack
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Relationship: Daur (Child)
Father's name: Alexr Diack
Mother's name: Margaret Ann Diack
Gender: Female
Where born: Aberdeen
Registration Number: 168/1
Registration district: St Nicholas
Civil Parish: Aberdeen St Georges in the West
County: Aberdeenshire
Address: 98 Gerrard St
Occupation: N?? Machinist
ED: 50
Household schedule number: 190
LINE: 7
Roll: CSSCT1901_54
Household Members:
Name Age
Alexr Diack 45
Margaret Ann Diack 42
John Janet Diack 24 - "Janet" should be Grant, I expect
Margaret Ann Diack 24
Mary Helen Diack 20
Alexander Diack 18
George Bennie Diack 13
James Alexander S Diack 4

Maurice

Maurice Report 25 Jun 2015 12:54

The death certificate for Jessie Stuart Morrison has arrived.

Details from the certificate

Jessie Stuart Fenton dod 6 August 1994

Dob 12 May 1902.

Age at death 92

Fathers name Alexander Morrison deceased salesman.
Mothers name Maggie Morrison ms Diack deceased.

A marriage of intent off Scotlands people shows
Alexander Morrison to a Margaret A G Diack in 1897.

Using Jessies dob for a birh in New York on Ancestry show a Margaret Morrison
same dob in Manhatton.

Family search has this record and shows Margaret as the child of
Alexander Morrison and Maggie Diack Morrison.

Unless there where twins Jessie is actually Margaret.

Thank you all who contrubuted.

It is greatly appreciated.
Maurice.



Maurice

Maurice Report 21 Jun 2015 19:10

I have ordered the death certificate for Jessie Stuart Fenton nee Morrison, it could take upto 15 days to arrive.
How exciting
Regards Maurice.

Maurice

Maurice Report 21 Jun 2015 19:03

Hi Greyghost, yes it does indeed.

I am most gratefull for your contributation.

I will of course post the details when i have them.

Once again thank you for your assistance.

Best wishes Maurice.

greyghost

greyghost Report 21 Jun 2015 18:30

ArgyllGran's post re death would appear to be the one I found earlier under the Morrison name, although I hadn't posted details of where etc.

Maurice

Maurice Report 21 Jun 2015 18:19

Wow, thanks ArgyllGran. Wonderful it doe's appear to be them.

I will see if those certificates are available and will post my findings.

Best wishes
Maurice.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 21 Jun 2015 17:57

Jessie's death:

1994 FENTON JESSIE STUART
Other surname MORRISON
F 92 PERTH /PERTH AND KINROSS 390/00 0560


And maybe Jack's death:

1997 FENTON JACK M 95 CRIEFF /PERTH 394/00 0077

Maurice

Maurice Report 21 Jun 2015 16:29

I will have to pass that one to my cousin ArgyllGran, he has the worldwide ancestry i have the next one down.

Thank you all the same.

Maurice.

Maurice

Maurice Report 21 Jun 2015 16:23

Thank you ArgyllGran, dont think i have seen this one.

Best wishes
Maurice.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 21 Jun 2015 16:15

Following on from Yvonne's suggestion that Alexander could be Jessie's father, here's a long shot - I expect you've already investigated this:

Alexander Morrison

in the California, Passenger and Crew Lists, 1882-1959
Name: Alexander Morrison
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1876
Birth Place: Aberdeenshire, Scotland
Age: 42
Arrival Date: 15 Sep 1918
Port of Arrival: San Francisco
Ship Name: Korea Maru
Port of Departure: Honolulu, Hawaii
Destination: San Francisco, California, USA
Last Residence: Hawaii

He's married, and is a plant manager.

Maurice

Maurice Report 21 Jun 2015 16:06

Yes ArgyllGran, tieen following be i have the one i have been following.
They appear to have travelled all over but there does not appear to be a record of Jessie between 1903_1911 travelling unless it is mistranscibed.

Best wishes
Maurice.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 21 Jun 2015 16:04

Jessie S Morrison
in the UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960

Name: Jessie S Morrison
Gender: Female
Age: 29
Birth Date: abt 1903
Departure Date: 15 Apr 1932
Port of Departure: Falmouth, England
Destination Port: Abadan, Iran
Ship Name: British Renown
Search Ship Database: Search for the British Renown in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: British Tonker Co
Official Number: 160397
Master: T B Large

UK address: 410 Gt Western Rd, Aberdeen.
She's a typist.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 21 Jun 2015 15:53

And again, Jack Fenton and Jessie Stuart Fenton, of Hotel Stuart, Richmond Hill, Richmond, heading for Trinidad. He's a petroleum engineer:

Jack Fenton
in the UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
Name: Jack Fenton
Birth Date: abt 1901
Age: 53
Port of Departure: London, England
Arrival Date: 18 Jan 1954
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ship Name: Braemar Castle
Search Ship Database: Search for the Braemar Castle in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: Union-Castle Mail Steamship Company Ltd
Official Number: 184728