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Hey to everyone, I am looking for any information regarding William Dick Keir born 1822 Perth and Robert Keir born 1827 Perth, Parents- Donald Keir/ Charlotte Dick

Is that Perth Australia or Perth Scotland ?

Is this the parents marriage ?

Name:
Charlote Dick

Marriage Date:
25 Feb 1819

Marriage Place:
Dowally,Perth,Scotland

Spouse:
Donald Keir


This couple appear in trees but none show a son William

Father down as Daniel ???


Name:
Robert Kier

Birth Date:
10 Apr 1827

Baptism Date:
24 Apr 1827

Baptism Place:
Perth,Perth,Scotland

Father:
Daniel Kier

Mother:
Charlotte Dick

Still Daniel ??



Name:
Alexander Keir

Birth Date:13 Jan 1825

Baptism Date:21 Jan 1825

Baptism Place:Perth,Perth,Scotland

Father: Daniel Keir
Mother:Charlotte Dick



Name:
James Keir

Birth Date:3 May 1829

Baptism Date:19 May 1829
Baptism Place:Perth,Perth,Scotland

Father: Daniel Keir
Mother:Charlotte Dick




Name:
Charlotte Keir

Birth Date:13 Apr 1831

Baptism Date:22 May 1831
Baptism Place:Perth,Perth,Scotland

Father: Daniel Keir
Mother:Charlottee Dick

Donald Keir
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 12 Aug 1823
Marriage Place: Caputh,Perth,Scotland
Spouse: Charlotte Keir
FHL Film Number: 1040073

Name: William Dick Kier
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 24 Dec 1822
Christening Place: PERTH,PERTH,SCOTLAND
Birth Date: 11 Dec 1822
Father's Name: Daniel Kier
Mother's Name: Charlotte Dick

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11948-3 , System Origin: Scotland-ODM , GS Film number: 1040161

Charlotte's death??

1877 KEIR CHARLOTTE
Other surname: DICK
F 82 HUTCHESONTOWN GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/11 0350


Charlotte Keir
in the 1861 Scotland Census
Name: Charlotte Keir
Age: 65
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1796
Relationship: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Logierait, Perthshire
Registration Number: 644/4
Registration district: Calton
Civil Parish: Glasgow St James
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 124 Green Street
Occupation: Shirt Maker
ED: 28
Household schedule number: 39
LINE: 10
Roll: CSSCT1861_102
Household Members:
Name Age
Charlotte Keir 65
Eliza Keir 25 - Perthshire
Henry Keir 2 - Glasgow - grandchild


Eliza's birth

13/04/1833 KEIR ELIZA DANIEL KEIR/CHARLOTTE DICK F PERTH /PERTH 387/00 0260 0156


Charlatte Keir

in the 1851 Scotland Census
Name: Charlatte Keir
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1796
Relationship: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Othal, Perthshire
Parish Number: 622
Civil Parish: Calton
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 48 Green Street
ED: 11
Page: 1
Household schedule number: 6
LINE: 16
Roll: CSSCT1851_145
Household Members:
Name Age
Charlatte Keir 55
Alexander Keir 26
Eliza Keir 17
Charlotte Keir 19

Thank you Mike and ArgyllGran you are both on the button, I have heard back from the Perth, Scotland, no record of Donald/Daniel's death so still in the dark. The last child Eliza born 1833, Charlotte took over the business? 1835, I think and remarried a John Erskine 1837, I think. All saved on another computer but haven't been able to find so I have all the exact dates. Charlotte mentioned as a licencee in other Inns as well as the Flesh Vennel

Is this the second marriage for Charlotte (senior)

I'm not sure why she would marry using her maiden name and her death be registered in the name of Keir (maiden name Dick)

Are you sure it's 'your' Charlotte as the census info posted give her as 'Keir'


Name:Charlotte Dick

Gender:Female

Marriage Date:25 Jun 1838

Marriage Place:Perth,Perth,Scotland

Spouse:James Erskine

FHL Film Number:1040164

Scotland Births and Baptisms 1564-1950 Transcription
name(s) Charlott Dick
Gender Female
Birth year 1795
Baptism date 18 Aug 1795
Baptism place LOGIERAIT,PERTH,SCOTLAND
Father John Dick
Mother Florence Mclardy
Place Logierait
County Perthshire
Country Scotland

Possibly Charlotte's father and daughter in 1841.

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Easter Auchragie, Logierait, Perthshire, Scotland
John Dick Male 75 1766 Perthshire, Scotland
Susan Carr Female 20 1821 Perthshire, Scotland

First child:
Name: Susan Keir
Christening Date: 11 Jun 1819
Christening Place: PERTH,PERTH,SCOTLAND
Birth Date: 31 May 1819
Father's Name: Daniel Keir
Mother's Name: Charlottee Dick
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11947-7 , System Origin: Scotland-ODM , GS Film number: 1040329
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Have you found the rest of the family in 1841? Do you know that Robert and William survived into adulthood?

Found on Free search of Wills at Scotlandspeople:

KEIR DONALD
Date:11/06/1832
Description:TENANT FARMER IN DYKNOOK OF BUTTERSTON, SPOUSE OF CHARLOTTE KEIR
Type: SETTLEMENT; ANTE-NUPTIAL CONTRACT OF MARRIAGE; INVENTORY Court: PERTH SHERIFF COURT SC49/31/13

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KEIR DONALD
Date: 14/10/1863
Descrition: SOMETIME JOINER AT AIRNTULLY, AFTERWARDS AT TULLOCH, LATTERLY AT PERTH
Court: PERTH SHERIFF COURT SC49/31/76
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KEIR DANIEL
Date: 10/03/1862
Description: SHOEMAKER IN DUNKELD
Court: PERTH SHERIFF COURT SC49/31/73

FMP transcription of 1861: Is this where the Erskine name came from?

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Green Street, St James, Calton, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Charlotte Erskine Or Keir Head Widow Female 65 1796 Shirt Maker LOGIE RAIT Perthshire,
Eliza Keir Daughter Married Female 25 1836 Damask Weaver Perth, Perthshire,
Henry Keir Grand Child - Male 2 1859 - Glasgow, Lanarkshire,
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Charlotte's daughter, Susan/ Susanna married a John Erskine.

Possible deaths of James Erskine, between 1838 and 1851 (none in Perthshire):

01/02/1839 ERSKINE JAMES ----- M GLASGOW GLASGOW CITY CITY/LANARK 644/01 0680 0235

04/11/1840 ERSKINE JAMES ----- M GLASGOW GLASGOW CITY CITY/LANARK 644/01 0680 0244

Following Gritty's FMP 1861, I see that Ancestry, as well as the Keir entry I posted earlier, has an additional transcription for her as Erskine, though without the other members of the family.

Charlotte Erskine

in the 1861 Scotland Census
Name: Charlotte Erskine
Age: 65
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1796
Relationship: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Logierait, Perthshire
Registration Number: 644/4
Registration district: Calton
Civil Parish: Glasgow St James
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 124 Green Street
Occupation: Shirt Maker
ED: 28
Household schedule number: 39
LINE: 9
Roll: CSSCT1861_102
Household Members:
Name Age
Charlotte Erskine 65

You mention that Charlotte took over the business and was a licencee at other inns- I can't see this information- what was the business she took over? Was it Daniel/ Donald's business?

EDIT: According to Ancestry message board:
"...265 High Street Perth... where Donald/Daniel Keir (my Gt Gt grandfather) held the licence in 1833- 34 "

Can't see the death of a Donald or Daniel Keir (or alternative spelling) in either Perthshire or Lanarkshire 1832-38

Hi and thanks everyone yes I have all this information, trying to find a death notice or similar of Daniel/ Donald to try and workout when he was born to prove who his Parents were. From naming pattern I am sure they were a John and Susan/na.
Know where most of children got to except William Dick and Robert. Yes Perth, Perthshire, Scotland. Most left with Charlotte and are on the '41 census. Umm interesting stuff Gritty, no mention of age :-( not your fault.

As to the names Donald and Daniel, I have found this with my own g grandfather, Donald Stewart also being Daniel on some records.

From http://www.sctbdm.com/scotland-names.html


Donald (male)

Scottish and English from the Gaelic name Domhnall, "world ruler" [TG]. This was the name of four Kings of Scotland.

Daniel and Donald are sometimes, but not always, interchangeable in Scotland because Domhnall, the Gaelic version of Donald, may be Anglicized as Daniel. We have therefore classified these two names as Lesser Synonyms although it should be noted that these two names were fully synonymous in the 17th century and earlier.

Hey Gritty yes the business or licence was in Daniel's name, according to the post office records there is no mention of Daniel at Flesher Vennel / High street only Charlotte. Daniel is mentioned under or in licencee's.
It is interesting that you found information of wills, I have had no joy for Daniel on the Scotland's people site, keeps saying no result but I have found Erskines and others.

Thanks Alviegal very interesting stuff and informative re the names and yes it is Charlotte's death notice. The Census is right can't have been done to long before Eliza and Henry came to New Zealand.

Thanks also Mike all true and Eringobragh.
hmm Rootgatherer a red herring or maybe they did their vowels again??