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An Ancestor of mine had a child in 1885(I have his birth cert.)

Her name is Ellen Titlow born Cork Ireland 1863/4.

Parents brought her and the rest of the children over to Derbyshire in 1865 ish.

The last census I have of her is the 1881 and she is 17 Laundress then she goes missing.
But has John William P Campbell in 1885 Newbold Derbyshire to William Henry Lawrence Campbell.

John William P Campbell also goes missing until 1901 when he is living with Alice Titlow and Peter Titlow,his grandmother and uncle.


Now the problem is I cannot find the marriage for Ellen Titlow to William Henry Lawrence Campbell or where they go until John William P Campbell turns up again.
Could SKS help me as I have been looking for the marriage and where they disappear to for over a week.

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
20, King Street, Whittington, Chesterfield, Derbyshire, England

Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Peter Titlow Head Married Male 51 1830 Coal Miner Halifax, Yorkshire, England Transcription
Alice Titlow Wife Married Female 40 1841 Laundress (Formerly) Cork, Cork, Ireland Transcription

>>>Ellen Titlow Daughter Single Female 17 1864 Laundress Cork, Cork, Ireland Transcription

Henry Titlow Son Single Male 16 1865 Coal Miner Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Transcription
James Titlow Son Single Male 14 1867 Coal Miner Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Transcription
Catherine Titlow Daughter Single Female 12 1869 Scholar Newbold, Derbyshire, England Transcription
John Titlow Son Single Male 11 1870 Scholar Newbold, Derbyshire, England Transcription
Edward Titlow Son Single Male 7 1874 Scholar Derbyshire, England Transcription
Henry Arnold Boarder Single Male 28 1853 Coal Miner Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire, England Transcription
Census details
First name(s) Ellen
Last name Titlow
Relationship Daughter
Marital status Single
Gender Female
Age 17
Birth year 1864
Occupation Laundress
Birth town Cork
Birth town as transcribed CORK
Birth county Cork
Birth place Ireland
Birth place other as transcribed IRELAND
House number 20
Street King Street
Town -
Parish Whittington
County Derbyshire
Country England
Registration district Chesterfield
Archive reference RG11
Piece number 3437
Folio 105
Page 76
Record set 1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census
Collections from Great Britain

and then the 1901

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
22, Mountcastle Street, Newbold, Newbold and Dunston, Chesterfield, Derbyshire, England

Learn mo Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Alice Titlow Head Widow Female 64 1837 - Ireland Transcription
Peter Titlow Son Widower Male 40 1861 Coal Miner Stallman Ireland Transcription

>>Jno Wm Campbell Grand Son Single Male 16 1885 Pony Driver Under Ground Newbold, Derbyshire, England Transcription

Kate Titlow Grand Daughter Single Female 14 1887 - Newbold, Derbyshire, England Transcription
Census details
First name(s) Jno Wm
Last name Campbell
Relationship Grand Son
Marital status Single
Gender Male
Age 16
Birth year 1885
Occupation Pony Driver Under Ground
Birth town Newbold
Birth town as transcribed NEWBOLD
Birth county Derbyshire
Birth county as transcribed DERBYSHIRE
Birth place England
Birth place other as transcribed -
Other household member first name(s) ALICE, PETER, JNO, KATE
Other household member last name TITLOW, CAMPBELL
Street Mountcastle Street
Town Newbold
Parish Newbold and Dunston
City -
Country England
County Derbyshire
Municipal ward Newbold
Registration district Chesterfield
Archive reference RG13
Piece number 3250
Folio 120
Page 14
Record set 1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census
Collections from Great Britain


By the way neither John WP or Kate are Peter's children



Thanks in advance..

What do you know about William Henry Lawrence Campbell? Have you found him on any census?

Could they have returned to Ireland for a while?

Still with Alice in 1911
1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
8 Occupation Road Whittington Moor Chesterfield, Newbold and Dunston, Derbyshire, England

Born Waterford Lismore Alice Titlow Head Widow Female 74 1837 -
Born Cork Youghal Peter Titlow Son Widower Male 50 1861 Coal Miner - Hewer
Born Derby Newbold John Campbell Grandson Single 26 1885 Coal Miner Hewer

alviegal,,

I know nothing what so ever about William Henry Lawrence Campbell not even where he was born or when.

Can't even find him on the 1871 census for anywhere.


John W P Campbell when he signed up for the army in 1903 said his father was dead. So I just don't know where to look anymore and it's doing my head in.

Shirley yes Alice died December 1911 and I am looking for John W P Campbell going to OZ as I have found him on a ship going from Sydney NSW OZ to California USA.

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CAMPBELL William Henry Lawrence
State Queensland
Year 1881
Record set Queensland Electoral Rolls
Category Census, land & surveys

1911? might be worth looking into

Name: William Henry Campbell
Age in 1911: 71
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: SYDNEY NEW, New South Wales
[Sydney, New South Wales, Australia]
Civil Parish: Paddington
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 30 Lancaster Gate, London (5 Berkeley Mews London)
Marital Status: Widowed
Years Married: 0
Estimated Marriage Year: 1911
Occupation: PRIVATE MEANS
Registration district: Paddington
Registration District Number: 1
Sub-registration district: Paddington South
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Piece: 75

What was William's occupation on his son's birth certificate?

This from Trove:
The Week (Brisbane, Qld. : 1876 - 1934) Saturday 21 December 1878
"William Henry Lawrence Campbell to be district registrar for Blackall"

Gritty,,

How can someone be Widowed then put years married 0..
That doesn't make sense does it...

Gritty, that person appears to be this man.

Name: William Henry Campbell
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 20 okt 1839 (20 Oct 1839)
Birth Place: Sydney
Death Date: 24 okt 1913 (24 Oct 1913)
Death Age: 74
Spouse: Augusta Elizabeth Biddulph



1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Lancaster Gate, Paddington, London, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Wm Henry Campbell Head Married Male 51 1840 Magistrate & Barrister At Law Sydney, Australia
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Augusta Elizth Campbell Wife Married Female 44 1847 - Middlesex, England
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Helen Campbell Daughter Single Female 20 1871 - Buscot, Berkshire, England
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Margaret Campbell Daughter Single Female 19 1872 - Buscot, Berkshire, England
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Robert Ormus Campbell Son Single Male 18 1873 Lt 3rd Bath Royal Welsh Fusiliers Buscot, Berkshire, England
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Violet Campbell Daughter Single Female 17 1874 Scholar Buscot, Berkshire, England
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Herbert Campbell Son Single Male 16 1875 Scholar Buscot, Berkshire, England
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Wm Orr Campbell Son Single Male 14 1877 Scholar Buscot, Berkshire, England
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Wm Ayres Servant Widower Male 55 1836 Butler Domestic Servant Middlesex, England
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Thos Alger Servant Single Male 22 1869 Domestic Servant Footman Middlesex, England
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Martha Golding Servant Single Female 24 1867 Cook Domestic Servant Evenley, Northamptonshire, England
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Elizth Oglesby Servant Single Female 30 1861 Housemaid Domestic Servant Gedney, Lincolnshire, England
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Annie Chapman Servant Single Female 20 1871 Housemaid Domestic Servant Blackmoor, Hampshire, England
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Eleanor Mary Kemp Servant Single Female 27 1864 Ladies Maid Domestic Servant Norfolk, England
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Emily Marie Clarke Servant Single Female 32 1859 Ladies Maid Domestic Servant Salford, Lancashire, England
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Mary King Servant Single Female 20 1871 Kitchen Maid Domestic Servant Cobham, Surrey, England
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Violet Elizth Oconnor Visitor Single Female 15 1876 Dressmaker Apprentice Middlesex, England




1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
30, Lancaster Gate, Paddington, London, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William H Campbell Head Married Male 61 1840 Living On Own Means J P For Berks -
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Augusta E Campbell Wife Married Female 53 1848 - London, Middlesex, England
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Helen Forbes Daughter Married Female 30 1871 - Buscot, Berkshire, England
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William O Campbell Son Single Male 24 1877 - Buscot, Berkshire, England
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Hilda G G Wardas Visitor Single Female 23 1878 - Lincolnshire, England
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Harriet S Sparke Servant Single Female 36 1865 Ladys Maid Domestic Brixton, Surrey, England
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Alfred A Cubitt Servant Single Male 39 1862 Butler Domestic Norfolk, England
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Bertram Staplehurst Servant Single Male 21 1880 Footman Domestic London, Middlesex, England
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Elizabeth Plester Servant Single Female 33 1868 Cook Domestic London, Middlesex, England
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Sarah Selwood Servant Married Female 56 1845 House Keeper Domestic Hampton, Oxfordshire, England
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Louisa E Flint Servant Single Female 24 1877 House Maid Domestic Dagenham, Essex, England
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Lilian S Holt Servant Single Female 20 1881 House Maid Domestic Paddington, Middlesex, England
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Rose E Parsons Servant Single Female 19 1882 Kitchen Maid Domestic Paddington, Middlesex, England
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1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
30 Lancaster Gate W, Paddington, London, England

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Household Members
Birth Place First Name Last Name Relationship Condition Gender Age Year Of Birth Occupation
New South Wales Sydney William Henry Campbell Head Widower Male 71 1840 Private Means
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Berks Buscot Herbert Campbell Son Single Male 36 1875 Private Means
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Sussex Brighton Montage Ormond Forbes Son In Law Single Male 44 1867 Private Means
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Berks Buscot Helen Forbes Daughter Married Female 40 1871 -
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London 30 Lancaster Gate Fergus Courtenay Forbes Grandson - Male 12 1899 -
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London Eccleston Square Louisa Harriett Biddulph Sister In Law Single Female 53 1858 Private Means
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Northumberland Bedington Alice Atkinson Servant Single Female 34 1877 Parlourmaid
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London Notting Hill Florence de Beger Servant Single Female 21 1890 Parlourmaid
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Bucks Amersham Jane Elburn Servant Single Female 23 1888 Cook
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Wapping Florence Chipperfield Servant Single Female 22 1889 Housemaid
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London Rotherville Florence Garland Servant Single Female 18 1893 Housemaid
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Scotland Edinburgh Agnes Casey Servant Single Female 21 1890 Kitchen Maid
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Cambridge Wisbeach Edith Russell Servant Single Female 23 1888 Ladies Maid
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Sussex Horsham Martha Wheeler Nurse Sick Single Female 49 1862 Nurse Hospital
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Cambridge Grander Annie Baxter Nurse Sick Widow Female 51 1860 Nurse Hospital
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North London Harkingay Alfred George Pegrin Servant - Male 14 1897 House Boy
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5 Berkeley Mews London Caroline Wickens Servant Single Female 21 1890 Housemaid
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Devon Exeter Ruth Buckingham - Single Female 25 1886 Needlewoman

Thanks alviegal.

But that still leaves the man in Queensland that may be worth investigating.

Sue, what was William's occupation on the birth certificate?

On the birth cert for occupation it says Commission Agent,

\They must have been married because it says Mother Ellen Campbell formerly Titlow

She's listed as Mary Ellen- married in Queensland 1882:

Australia, Marriage Index, 1788-1950

Name: William Henry Laurence Campbell
Spouse Name: Mary Ellen Tittow
Marriage Date: 11 Oct 1882
Marriage Place: Queensland
Registration Place: Queensland
Registration Year: 1882
Registration Number: 000915
Page Number: 2228

This child was registered Queensland:

Year 1884 Reg# C7888
name(s) Harriett Alice Campbell
Father William Henry Lawrence
Mother Mary Ellen Titlow

Found by searching here:
https://www.qld.gov.au/law/births-deaths-marriages-and-divorces/family-history-research/

This is the entry on Ancestry:

Name: Harriett Alice Campbell
Birth Date: 19 Dec 1883
Father's name: William Henry Lawrence Campbell
Mother's name: Mary Ellen Titlow
Birth Place: Queensland
Registration Year: 1884
Registration Place: Queensland
Page Number: 2198
Registration Number: 007888

So that means to say that's why her younger brother went to Queensland in early 1890.

So Mary Ellen must have come back and had John W P then taken him back so will look for him coming back from OZ AROUND 1899/1900.

Thanks all to all your help.

Perhaps William was a commission agent for an auction house:

Queensland Miscellaneous Licences 1860-1899 Transcription
First name(s) W. Hy. L.
Last name Campbell
Year 1885
Date 28 February 1885
Location Cloncurry<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Type Auctioneers
Page 659
Volume XXXVI
State Queensland
Country Australia
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John??
California, Passenger and Crew Lists, 1882-1959
Name: John Campbell (Last permanent residence Clonclurry) <<<<<<<<<
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1885
Birth Place: Chesterfield, England
Age: 32
Arrival Date: 13 Aug 1917
Port of Arrival: San Francisco
Ship Name: Sierra
Port of Departure: Sydney, Australia
Destination: Lead, South Dakota, USA
Last Residence: AUS Island

This might also be worth looking into: passenger list in 1911:

William H Campbell 62
Mary Campbell 54
John Campbell 25
Constance C Campell 19

Port of Departure: Brisbane, Australia
Arrival Date: 15 Jun 1911
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ports of Voyage: Cape Town
Ship Name: Themistocles
Shipping line: Aberdeen and Commonwealth Line
Official Number: 129349

Gritty,

I don't think the last post is my lot as John W P Campbell was already in the UK IN 1911 see my 1st post,

Your post with John ???? going to San Francisco is the right one.


But I saw in the marriages a marriage for a William Tremayne to Mary Ellen Campbell in 1889 Queensland..

Just wonder if either Mary Ellen divorces W H L Campbell.and marries William Tremayne. which is more than likely my Mary Ellen..

If it is mine she has really mucked my tree up as there is a Mary Ellen Titlow Tremayne in USA which is mine.

And I thought the Mary Ellen Titlow Tremayne was my grand aunts daughter taking her mother's year of birth as she has disappeared from Derbyshire in 1881.

Gosh what a family I have.My cousin's won't believe it all.


This the marriage in Mitchigan USA that I think is my Mary Ellen T TREMAYNE..

Name: Mary E Tremayne
[Mary Titlow]
Gender: Female
Race: White
Birth Year: abt 1866
Birth Place: England
Marriage Date: 8 Jul 1905
Marriage Place: Houghton, Houghton, Michigan, USA
Age: 39
Residence Place: Calumet
Father: Peter Titlow
Mother: Alice Madden
Spouse: Thomas Brown
Spouse Gender: Male
Spouse Race: White
Spouse Age: 43
Spouse Birth Place: England
Spouse Residence Place: Calumet
Spouse Father: Geo Brown
Spouse Mother: Phillippi Bond
Record Number: 361

Mary E Titlow in the Michigan, Marriage Records, 1867-1952

Then she goes on to marry the chap below.
Name: Mary E Titlow
Gender: Female
Race: White
Birth Year: abt 1870
Birth Place: England
Marriage Date: 19 Jun 1909
Marriage Place: Houghton, Houghton, Michigan, USA
Age: 39
Residence Place: Quincy Mine
Father: Peter Titlow
Mother: Alice Batten
Spouse: Wm H Rundle
Spouse Gender: Male
Spouse Race: White
Spouse Age: 29
Spouse Birth Place: England
Spouse Residence Place: Quincy Mine
Spouse Father: John Rundle
Spouse Mother: Louisa Clemes
Record Number: 348
Film: 98

Australia, Birth Index, 1788-1922
Name: Mary Tremayne
Birth Date: 08 Apr 1887
Father's name: William Tremayne
Mother's name: Mary Ellen Titlow
Birth Place: Queensland
Registration Year: 1887
Registration Place: Queensland
Page Number: 14949
Registration Number: 005175

Australia, Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980
Name: Mary Ellen Tremayne
Gender: Female
Electoral Year: 1905
Subdistrict: Charters Towers
State: Queensland
District: Kennedy
Country: Australia

William Tremayne miner at Lea Street.
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Name: William Tremayne
Gender: Male
Electoral Year: 1908
Subdistrict: Charters Towers
State: Queensland
District: Kennedy
Country: Australia

Also in Lea Street- but no Mary Ellen with him. He's later (from 1913 living Conclurry)