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Joan

Joan Report 30 May 2015 19:26

Trying to find info on Kitchener, Served with 23rd P Fusiliers at Kandalar Barracks Tidmouth in October 1915. He was also in Gold Coast in Africa approx. 1914/1916

Sorry about lack of any other info. Very grateful if any information is found. Thank you

Joan

Andrew

Andrew Report 30 May 2015 19:37

Looks like he his Arthur James


Name:
Arthur James Kitchener
Military Year:1914-1920
Rank:Private
Medal Awarded:British War Medal and Victory Medal
Regiment or Corps:Royal Fusiliers (City of London Regiment)
Regimental Number:SPTS/4003
Previous Units:23 R Fus Pte SPTS/4003


Andy

Andrew

Andrew Report 30 May 2015 19:38

Possible birts?

Births Mar 1883 (>99%)
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KITCHENER Arthur James Hertford 3a 477

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Births Sep 1896 (>99%)
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Kitchener Arthur James Petworth 2b 319


Andy

alviegal

alviegal Report 30 May 2015 19:39

Is this him perhaps?


Medal Index Cards Transcription

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First name(s) Arthur James
Last name Kitchener
Service number SPTS/4003
Rank Private, Second Lieutenant, Lieutenant
Corps Royal Fusiliers, Royal Engineers
Service record Soldier Number: SPTS/4003, Rank: Private, Corps: Royal Fusiliers
Service record 2 Rank: Second Lieutenant, Corps: Royal Engineers
Service record 3 Rank: Lieutenant, Corps: Royal Engineers
Archive reference WO372/11
Archive reference description Campaign Medal Index Cards and Silver War Badge Cards
Country Great Britain



Name: Arthur James Kitchiner
Military Year: 1914-1915
Rank: Private
Medal Awarded: 1914-15 Star
Regiment or Corps: Royal Fusiliers (City of London Regiment)
Regimental Number: E/166
Previous Units: 17th R. Fus.
Medal Forfeited: Yes


Name: Arthur James Kitchiner
Military Year: 1914-1920
Rank: Private
Medal Awarded: British War Medal and Victory Medal
Regiment or Corps: Royal Fusiliers (City of London Regiment)
Regimental Number: E/166
Previous Units: 17 R Fus Pte E/166

alviegal

alviegal Report 30 May 2015 19:53

These are the records that may match him. Do you know when he died?

Name: Arthur James Kitchiner
Birth Date: 9 May 1895
Date of Registration: Mar 1971
Age at Death: 75
Registration district: Merton
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 5d
Page: 1123


Name: Arthur James Kitchiner
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 3 Jun 1894
Father's name: Alfred Kitchiner, fishmonger of 7 Essian? St
Mother's name: Elizabeth Maud Kitchiner
Parish or Poor Law Union: Stepney St Dunstan and All Saints
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Registers


Is there nothing else you can tell us about him? Is he an ancestor of yours?

alviegal

alviegal Report 30 May 2015 20:00


1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Essian Street, Mile End Old Town, London, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Alfred Kitchener Head Married Male 30 1861 Journeyman Fish Monger Bermondsey, Surrey, England
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Elizabeth Kitchener Wife Married Female 27 1864 - Stepney, Middlesex, England
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Alfred Kitchener Son - Male 4 1887 - Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England
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Lillian Kitchener Daughter - Female 2 1889 - Stepney, Middlesex, England
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Louisa Kitchener Daughter - Female 0 1891 - Stepney, Middlesex, England
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Edgar Busby Brother - Male 13 1878 Errand Boy Stepney, Middlesex, England
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Arthur Busby Brother Single Male 18 1873 - Stepney, Middlesex, England



1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
237, Queens Road, West Ham, Essex, England

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Alfred Kitchiner Head Married Male 40 1861 Dock Labourer Bermondsey, Surrey, England
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Elizabeth Kitchiner Wife Married Female 37 1864 - Stepney, Middlesex, England
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>>Alfred G Kitchiner Son - Male 14 1887 Post Office Messanger Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
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Lilian M Kitchiner Daughter - Female 12 1889 - Stepney, Middlesex, England
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Louisa C Kitchiner Daughter - Female 10 1891 - Stepney, Middlesex, England
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Arthur J Kitchiner Son - Male 6 1895 - Stepney, Middlesex, England
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Charles Kitchiner Son - Male 4 1897 - Stepney, Middlesex, England



1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
219 Whitehorse Lane South Norwood, Croydon, Surrey, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Alfred Kitchener Head Married Male 50 1861 London Bermondsey Greengrocer
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Elisabeth Kitchener Wife Married Female 47 1864 London Stepney Greengrocer
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Alfred Kitchener Son Single Male 24 1887 London Shoreditch Liftman
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Louisa Kitchener Daughter Single Female 20 1891 London Stepney Greengrocer
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>>Arthur Kitchener Son Single Male 16 1895 London Stepney Clerk
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Charles Kitchener Son - Male 14 1897 London Stepney Greengrocer

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 30 May 2015 20:11

From a tree on Ancestry


Arthur J Kitchener
Betts Family Tree_2013-07-03
Birth: 9 May 1894 - London, England
Marriage: October 1914 (Oct 1914) - Croydon, Surrey
Death: Mar 1971 - London, England
Parents: Alfred Kitchiner, Elizabeth Maud Busby
Spouse: Miriam M Chinnyah

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 30 May 2015 20:18

Mr A J Kitchener
Gender: Male
Departure Date: 22 Oct 1919
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Destination Port: Seccondee, Ghana
Ship Name: Appam
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Shipping line: British and African Steam Navigation Company, Limited
Official Number: 135112
Master: J C Harny



Mrs A J Kitchener
Gender: Female
Age: 29
Birth Date: abt 1892
Departure Date: 15 Jun 1921
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Destination Port: Seccondee, Ghana
Ship Name: Abinsi
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Shipping line: African Steamship Co
Official Number: 137388
Master: J B Wright

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 30 May 2015 20:30

Mrs A J Kitchiner
Gender: Female
Age: 31
Birth Date: abt 1891
Departure Date: 15 Nov 1922
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Destination Port: Seccondee, Ghana
Ship Name: Abinsi
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Shipping line: African Steamship Co
Official Number: 137388
Master: J B Wright

alviegal

alviegal Report 30 May 2015 20:34

That AJ Kitchener died at sea, I think.


Deaths at sea, 1781-1968 Transcription
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First name(s) Arthur James
Last name Kitchener
Gender Male
Birth year -
Birth place Bennington,English
Death year 1929
Death date 19 Apr 1929
Reported date May 1929
Vessel name Abinsi
Departure port -
County AT SEA
Series BT 334
Box 0087
Page 20

Which would be this man?



1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
The Green Bennington Stevenage, Bennington, Hertfordshire, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
John Kitchener Head Married Male 63 1848 Herts Bennington Builder
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Sarah Kitchener Wife Married Female 56 1855 Herts Bennington -
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>>Arthur Kitchener Son Single Male 28 1883 Herts Bennington Carpenter
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Jessie Kitchener Daughter Single Female 19 1892 Herts Bennington Elementary School Teacher



1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Bennington, Hertford, Hertfordshire, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John T Kitchener Head Married Male 53 1848 Builder Hertfordshire, England
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Sarah E Kitchener Wife - Female 46 1855 - Hertfordshire, England
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>>Arthur J Kitchener Son Single Male 18 1883 Carpenter Hertfordshire, England
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Jessie M Kitchener Daughter - Female 9 1892 - Hertfordshire, England


EDIT The brother mentioned in his probate.




1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
The Rectory Gates, Bennington, Hertford, Hertfordshire, England

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John Thomas Thitchener Head Married Male 42 1849 Builder Hertfordshire, England
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Sarah Elen Thitchener Wife Married Female 36 1855 - Hertfordshire, England
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>>Frederic John Thitchener Son - Male 12 1879 Scholar Hertfordshire, England
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>>Arthur James Thitchener Son - Male 8 1883 Scholar Hertfordshire, England



1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Village Street, Little Berkhampstead, Hertford, Hertfordshire, England

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Frederick J Kitchener Head Single Male 22 1879 Organist & Professor Of Music Hertfordshire, England
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Francis Sturmey Servant Widow Female 77 1824 House Keeper Domestic Marlborough, Wiltshire, England

Jacqueline

Jacqueline Report 30 May 2015 23:45

You must have a reason for asking...............how are you connected?

Where did you get the info about his WW1 service?

Jacqueline

Jacqueline Report 30 May 2015 23:53

If he was in the UK in 1915, it's unlikely that he was in the Gold Coast 1914 to 1916

The location of his UK posting would actually have been TIDWORTH

Lucknow Barracks and Mooltan Barracks were completed in 1905, Tidworth Military Hospital was finished in 1907 and a Royal Ordnance depot was established during the First World War.[1] Aliwal Barracks, Assaye Barracks, Bhurtpore Barracks, Candahar Barracks, Delhi Barracks and Jellalabad Barracks were added later.[3] The names of the barracks evoke memories of battles in India and Afghanistan (e.g. Aliwal, Assaye, Bhurtpore, Candahar, Delhi, Jellalabad, Lucknow and Mooltan).

Joan

Joan Report 31 May 2015 06:18

Sorry for delay in replying, server problems. Many thanks for all your assistance.

Joan

Gee

Gee Report 31 May 2015 10:57


Name:Arthur James Kitchener of: Coomassie, Gold Coast

Probate Date:5 Jun 1929

Death Date:19 Apr 1929

Death Place West Africa (at sea)

Registry:London, England

Probate to: Dorothy Maud (widow) & Frederick John Kitchener (musician) £97 19s 3d

Jacqueline

Jacqueline Report 31 May 2015 11:34

Marriages Sep 1917 (>99%)

Kitchener Arthur J Thompson Kensington 1a 292
Thompson Dorothy M Kitchener Kensington 1a 292


Births Sep 1917 (>99%)
Kitchener George F Thompson Southwark 1d 99


Births Dec 1919 (>99%)
Kitchener Frederick G Thompson Southwark 1d 148


Looks like the joint executor may have been a brother


I would have thought Joan might have tried to answer the questions asked of her............

Jacqueline

Jacqueline Report 31 May 2015 11:38

First name(s) Dorothy Maud
Last name Kitchener
Sex Female
Marital status Widowed
Age 40
Birth year 1892
Marriage year 1932
Marriage date 11 Feb 1932
Marriage place West Parley, West Parley, Dorset, England
Father's first name(s) Sydney
Father's last name Thompson
Spouse's first name(s) Alexander
Spouse's last name Profeit
Spouse's sex Male
Spouse's marital status Widowed
Spouse's age 59
Spouse's birth year 1873
Spouse's father's first name(s) Alexander
Spouse's father's last name Profeit
Place West Parley
County Dorset
Country England
Record set Dorset marriage index 1541-1937

Joan

Joan Report 31 May 2015 13:06

Info from copies of two letters sent by Kitchener . The first to Stephen Henry Goodchild from barracks thanking him for a parcel The second condolences on hearing of Stephen Goodchilds death He died of Blackwater fever and is buried in Accra. Have copy of faded photo shooting party on banks of O'missa river Oct 1914 Goodchild Bland Goldsworthy Fitzhenry Kitchener.
JOAN

alviegal

alviegal Report 31 May 2015 19:46


Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960 Transcription

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First name(s) A J
Last name KITCHENER
Title MR
Gender Male
Occupation COL GOVT SERVICE
Departure year 1919
Departure day 22
Departure month 10
Departure port LIVERPOOL
Destination port SEKONDI-TAKORADI
Destination SEKONDI-TAKORADI
Country GHANA (GOLD COAST)
Destination country GHANA (GOLD COAST)
Ship name APPAM
Ship official number 135442
Ship master's first name J C
Ship master's last name HARRY



Jacqueline

Jacqueline Report 1 Jun 2015 15:55

So there's no relationship connecting you to this man?

Joan

Joan Report 2 Jun 2015 19:30

No
Joan