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I would much apreciate help in locating news of whereabouts of three distant relatives great grandfather Walter Bruce born 1842, his son Frank Bruce born 1880 and his son Frederick Bruce born 1882 -in 1901 census all lived together in Millman St.Holborn and were "carpenters" but after this there appears no trace of any of them.
Thanks indeed for any replies,

Terry A.Bruce

Fred from 1911?


EDIT, No wrong. see below


Name:Fredrick Bruce
Age in 1911:27
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1884
Relation to Head:Head
GenderMale
Civil Parish:St Marylebone
County/Island:London
Country:England
Street address:6 Venables Street, St Marylebone W
Marital Status:Married
Years Married:6
Estimated Marriage Year:1905
Occupation:PRINTER
Registration district St Marylebone
Registration District Number:7
Sub-registration district:Christchurch
ED, institution, or vessel:5
Piece:562
Household Members:
Name
Age


Fredrick Bruce 27
Amy Agress Bruce 24
Fredrick Bruce 6
David Bruce 4


Marriage

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Jun 1905 (>99%)
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BRUCE Fredrick William Marylebone 1a 1127
WOODS Amy Agnes Marylebone 1a 1127


Andy

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
64 Arbery Road, Bethnal Green, London, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Frederick Bruce Head Married Male 31 1880 London Stepney Cabinet Joiner
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Rose Bruce Wife Married Female 31 1880 London Bethnal Green -
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Rosa Bruce Daughter - Female 6 1905 London Bow -

Is this the baptism of Frank?

Father is an undertaker

Name: Frank Ernest Bruce
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 17 Aug 1879
Father's name: Walter Bruce
Mother's name: Annie Bruce
Parish or Poor Law Union: St John the Evangelist, Charlotte Street
Borough: Camden
Register Type: Parish Registers

Births Sep 1879 Bruce Frank Ernest Marylebone 1a 525

That 1905 marriage has 'David' listed as the father on the parish record


Name: Frederick William Bruce
Spouse: Amy Agnes Hoods
Father: David Bruce
Other: Frederick Hoods

This might be Frederick. Father also undertaker

Bruce on image.


Name:
Frederick Arthur Bouce
Record Type:Baptism
Baptism Date:3 Apr 1883
Father's name:Walter Bouce
Mother's name:Annie Bouce
Parish or Poor Law Union:St Marylebone All Saints
Borough:Westminster
Register Type:Parish Registers





Andy

???

Deaths Sep 1914 (>99%)
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Bruce Frederick A 32 Kensington 1a 124


Andy

???

No middle name though.

Name: Frank Bruce<<<<<
Birth Date: abt 1880<<<<
Date of Registration: Jun 1952
Age at Death: 72
Registration district: Pancras
Inferred County: London
Volume: 5d
Page: 371

Well done finding Frederick's baptism, Andy ! :-)

Don't know if this is your man

Electoral register

Name: Frank Ernest Bruce
Year: 1935
County or Borough: Wandsworth
Ward or Division/Constituency: Balham and Tooting and Central
Street address: 41 Daly

Address should be 41 Wimbledon street, and there is an Emily Bruce at the same address, but don't know if it's 'your' Frank.

no birth for walter in 1842 but might be this one

Births Mar 1843 (>99%)
Bruce Walter Islington 3 215

Walter Bruce
England and Wales Census, 1871
Name:
Walter Bruce
Event Type:
Census
Event Date:
1871
Gender:
Male
Age:
28
Relationship to Head of Household:
Self
Birthplace:
Islington, Middlesex
Schedule Type:
Household
Registration District:
Islington
Parish:
Islington
County:
London, Middlesex
Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
Walter Bruce Self M 28 Islington, Middlesex
Harriette Bruce Wife F 26 Not Known
Harriette Bruce Daughter F 4 Clapham, Surrey
Walter A Bruce Son M 3 Chatteris, Cambridgeshire
Charles S Bruce Son M 1 Islington, Middlesex

According to census, Walter was born Norfolk.

In census 1891, he is an undertaker, which tallies with the baptisms posted :

Name: Walter Bruce
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Annie Bruce
Gender: Male
Where born: Norfolk, England
Civil Parish: Bloomsbury St George
Ecclesiastical parish: Bloomsbury St George
County/Island: London
Country: England

Household Members:
Name Age
Walter Bruce 46<<<<<<<<<<
Annie Bruce 43<<<<<<<<<<<<
Ada Bruce 15
Henry Bruce 14
Maude Bruce 13
Frank Bruce 11<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Frederick Bruce 8<<<<<<<<<<<<

Apologies, census 1901 did say born Middlesex, but 1891 defo says Norfolk, and names of wife and sons tallies.:

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census

13, Millman Street, St Andrew Holborn Above the Bars and St George the Martyr, Holborn, London, England


Walter Bruce Head Married Male 59 1842 Carpenter Marylebone, Middlesex, England
Annie Bruce Wife Married Female 56 1845 - Marylebone, Middlesex, England
Frank Bruce Son Single Male 21 1880 Carpenter's Labourer Marylebone, Middlesex, England
Frederick Bruce Son Single Male 19 1882 Carpenter's Labourer Marylebone, Middlesex, England

Baptisms for children from the 1891 census (there are others on London baptisms)

Name: Ada Jane Bruce
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 17 Jan 1875
Father's name: Walter Bruce
Mother's name: Annie Bruce
Parish or Poor Law Union: St John the Evangelist, Charlotte Street
Borough: Camden
Register Type: Parish Registers

Father an undertaker

Name: Henry William Bruce
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 1 Oct 1876
Father's name: Walter Bruce
Mother's name: Annie Bruce
Parish or Poor Law Union: St John the Evangelist, Charlotte Street
Borough: Camden
Register Type: Parish Registers

Father an Undertaker


Name: Maude Bruce
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 17 Feb 1878
Father's name: Walter Bruce
Mother's name: Annie Bruce
Parish or Poor Law Union: St John the Evangelist, Charlotte Street
Borough: Camden
Register Type: Parish Registers

Father an Undertaker

Family were livng Gt Portland St at the time of these baptisms

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Cleveland Street, St Pancras, Pancras, London, England

Walter Bruce Head - Male 26 1845 - Norfolk, England
Annie Bruce Wife - Female 24 1847 - Middlesex, England
Annie Susan Bruce Daughter - Female 3 1868 - Middlesex, England
Walter John Bruce Son - Male 1 1870 - Middlesex, England

Name: Annie Susan Bruce
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 15 Mar 1868
Father's name: Walter Bruce
Mother's name: Annie Bruce
Parish or Poor Law Union: St John the Evangelist, Charlotte Street
Borough: Camden
Register Type: Parish Registers

Name: Walter John Bruce
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 19 Dec 1869
Father's name: Walter Bruce
Mother's name: Annie Bruce
Parish or Poor Law Union: St John the Evangelist, Charlotte Street
Borough: Camden
Register Type: Parish Registers

Can't find census 1881 for the family.

Name: Alice Elizabeth Bruce
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 28 May 1871
Father's name: Walter Bruce
Mother's name: Annie Bruce
Parish or Poor Law Union: St John the Evangelist, Charlotte Street
Borough: Camden
Register Type: Parish Registers

Name: Charles Robert Bruce
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 9 Mar 1873
Father's name: Walter Bruce
Mother's name: Annie Bruce
Parish or Poor Law Union: St John the Evangelist, Charlotte Street
Borough: Camden
Register Type: Parish Registers

Welcome to the Community boards Terence.



(I'll let Terence know how to find his replies) :-)

Thanks to all of you for the replies. You have given me some information which will enable me to make further search. My final aim/hope is to locate a live male relative Bruce direct descendant from this family.

Thanks again to all

Terry Bruce

As you've probably discovered, won't be a descendant of Charles Robert baptised 1873.

Sadly:

Deaths Jun 1876 BRUCE Charles Robert 3 Marylebone 1a 348

Presumably one son was your own grandfather , do you know his other direct male descendants if any, or can that line be eliminated from the search?

Are you looking for some sort of male DNA comparator? If so, and your current search is unsuccessful, could you take it back a generation, and look for direct male lines descended from Walter's brothers, if he had any, who would be a direct male line of descent from your 2 x great grandfather Bruce? Admittedly Walter was a little vague about his birth year, and Norfolk is also a tad general for a birth location.

Apologies if you know this stuff already:

Name: Walker Bruce<<<<<< undertaker (Walter on image)
[Walter Bruce]
Spouse: Annie Billson
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 21 Apr 1867
Parish: All Saints, Camden Town
Borough: Camden
Father Name: Robert Bruce<<<<<<< contractor
Spouse Father: John Billson
Register Type: Parish Register

Later birth than expected:

Census 1861:

Name: Walter Bruce
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: 1847
Relation: Son (Child)
Father's name: Robert Bruce
Mother's name: Elizabeth Bruce
Gender: Male
Where born: Garvestone, Norfolk, England<<<<<<<<<<<<
Civil Parish: St Pancras
Ecclesiastical parish: Regent Square
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Bruce 60 c1801 dinboro, Scotland Contractor on image
Elizabeth Bruce 50 c1811 Devon, Lincolnshire, England
Walter Bruce 14 c1847 Garvestone, Norfolk, England
Sarah Ann Holden 25 c1836 Buckinghamshire, England
Charles Holden 26 c1835 St Pancras, Middlesex, England

Charles is son in law,

There is also a separate household listed underneath on the census image for a John Bruce aged 22 born Buckinghamshire, wife Jane born Middx, and 2 small daurs. Both households living at 106 Crown or Crowmer St. Don't know how related, assuming he is.