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Kucinta

Kucinta Report 17 May 2015 23:41

Back to Pascal senior: There is an image of both sides of the coin at the site below.

http://www.coinworld.com/news/convict-_transportation-tokens-are-affordable-highlights-in-dix-.html

"
The most moving of these messages was stipple-engraved on a 1797 George III penny by Pascal Baillieu, who, ironically, had been convicted of forging counterfeit coins and being in possession of impressions and moulds for coining.

He was sentenced to seven years transportation at Bristol Quarter Sessions on Oct. 9, 1837. Pascal had been born in Bristol in 1804 and was evidently very fond of his sister Ann, who was two-and-a-half years younger. Before he sailed for New South Wales on the Lord Lyndoch in April 1838 he engraved: ‘Sister Ann when this you see think on me. Pascal Baillieu.’

Unlike many convicts who were transported for life or who chose to stay in Australia when their sentences ended, Pascal returned to England after receiving his Certificate of Freedom in December 1844. So perhaps and he and Ann were reunited. His transportation token, which is in fair to fine condition, is expected to fetch £150 to £200 at the Dix Noonan Webb auction."

Sister Ann's baptism:

First name(s) Ann
Last name Baillieu
Gender Female
Birth year -
Birth place -
Baptism year 1807
Baptism date 12 Jan 1807
Place Bristol
County Gloucestershire
Country England
Father's first name(s) Lambert<<<<<
Father's last name Baillieu<<<<
Mother's first name(s) Ann<<<<<
Mother's last name -
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975

Sister Elizabeth got baptised same day as Ann:

Name: Elizabeth Baillieu
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 12 Jan 1807
Baptism Place: St Augustine-the-Less, Bristol, Gloucester, England
Father: Lambert Baillieu
Mother: Ann
FHL Film Number: 1596311

Brother:


England, Births & Baptisms 1538-1975

First name(s) Lambert Francis
Last name Baillie
Gender Male
Birth year -
Birth place -
Baptism year 1802
Baptism date 24 Jul 1802
Residence Bristol, Gloucester, England
Place Bristol
County Gloucestershire
Country England
Father's first name(s) Lambert<<<
Father's last name Baillie
Mother's first name(s) Ann<<<
Mother's last name -
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records

I think this may be a child of the possible second marriage to Sarah Hawkesley in 1812.. The Image says born 25 May 1815 , so unlikely to be a son of Lambert Francis baptised 1802. Father is a dancing master.

Name: Joseph Frederick Hawksley Baillieu
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 30 May 1830
Father's name: Lambert Francis Baillieu
Mother's name: Sarah Baillieu
Parish or Poor Law Union: Haggerston St Mary
Borough: Hackney
Register Type: Parish Registers

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 17 May 2015 21:44

You probably know this already, but on the image of the baptism that Maddie posted for Alice Isabella Akerman, her birth date is recorded as 19th Sep/98

Address as 21 Little Goudge St . Father a labourer.

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 17 May 2015 21:24

Amanda got baptised rather late in life, as Baillieu, in the same church that she married at in 1880 :

Name: Amanda Baillieu
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 5 Apr 1895
Father's name: Pascal Baillieu
Mother's name: Eliza Baillieu
Parish or Poor Law Union: Acton St Mary
Borough: Ealing
Register Type: Parish Registers

Image has born March 29th 1858.
Address 31 Petersfield Road South Acton.

I assume it's father occupation : Decorator.

NB: seems likely she was a year out with birthdate

Births Jun 1857 Baillieu Amanda Malvina Newport M 11a 168

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 17 May 2015 21:17

?????

Pascal senior?

UK, Prison Hulk Registers and Letter Books, 1802-1849

Name: Paschel Baillieu
[Pascel Baillieu]
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1805
Date Received: 7 Dec 1837
Ship: Justitia
Place Moored: Woolwich
Date Convicted: 9 Oct 1837
Place Convicted: Bristol

England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892
Name: Pascal Baillieu
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1805
Date of Trial: 9 Oct 1837
Trial Year: 1837
Location of Trial: Gloucestershire, England
Crime: Having impressions and moulds for coining
Sentence: 7 years Transportation

New South Wales, Australia, Certificates of Freedom, 1827-1867
Name: Paschel Baillieu
Birth Year: 1806
Native Place: Bristol, Gloucestershire, England
Certificate Date: 21 Dec 1844
Arrival Year: 1838 Vessel: Lord Lyndoch

Wife Elizabeth may have died:

Name:Elizabeth Baillieu
Event Type:Burial
Event Date:03 Aug 1832
Event Place:Bristol, St Thomas, Gloucestershire, England
Age:27
Birth Year (Estimated):1805
Digital Folder Number: 004247230 , Image Number: 00079

They had another child baptised same time as the 11 yr old Pascal:

Name:Elizabeth Baillieu
Gender:Female
Christening Date:28 Sep 1834
Christening Place: St. Philip and St. Jacob, Bristol, Gloucester, England
Father's Name:Pascal Baillieu
Mother's Name:Elizabeth
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C01979-6 , System Origin: England-EASy , GS Film number: 1596679

She was also not an infant when she was baptised:

First name(s) Elizabeth
Last name Baillieu
Gender Female
Birth year -
Birth place -
Baptism year 1834
Baptism date 28 Sep 1834
Baptism age 9Y 5M<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Residence Bristol, Gloucester, England
Place Bristol
County Gloucestershire
Country England
Father's first name(s) Pascal<<<<<<<<<<
Father's last name Baillieu<<<<<<<<<
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth<<<<<<<<
Mother's last name -
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 17 May 2015 21:12

possible second marriage:


England Marriages 1538-1973

First name(s) Lambert
Last name Baillieu
Name note -
Marriage year 1812
Marriage date 26 Nov 1812
Marriage place Saint Augustine The Less, Bristol, Gloucester, England
Father's first name(s) -
Father's last name -
Mother's first name(s) -
Mother's last name -
Spouse's first name(s) Sarah
Spouse's last name Hawksley
Spouse's father's first name(s) -
Spouse's father's last name -
Spouse's mother's first name(s) -
Spouse's mother's last name -
Place Bristol
County Gloucestershire
Country England
Record set England Marriages 1538-1973

First name(s) Lambert
Last name Baillieu
Gender Male
Marital status -
Occupation -
Event year 1816
Birth year 1772
Age at death 44y
Death place Bristol, Glouster, England
Burial year 1816
Burial date 08 Nov 1816
Burial place St. Augustine The Less, Bristol, Glouster, England
Place Bristol
County Gloucestershire
Country England
Record set England Deaths & Burials 1538-1991

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 17 May 2015 21:06

Given Amanda had a brother named Lamber Baillieu in census 1871, I wondered if this was the baptism of Pascal senior, but depending on how old he was at baptism it might mean he was only 18 or so when he married:

First name(s) Pascal
Last name Bailieu
Gender Male
Birth year -
Birth place -
Baptism year 1804
Baptism date 19 Jul 1804
Residence Bristol, Gloucester, England
Place Bristol
County Gloucestershire
Country England
Father's first name(s) Lambert<<<<<<
Father's last name Bailieu
Mother's first name(s) Ann
Mother's last name -
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms

Name: Ann Taylor<<<<<
Gender: Female
Spouse's Name: Lambert Baillieu<<<<
Marriage Date: 13 Sep 1801
Marriage Place: Bristol, Gloucestershire, England

First name(s) Lambert
Last name Baillieu
Name note -
Marriage year 1801
Marriage date 1801
Marriage place Saint Augustine The Less, Bristol, Gloucester, England
Father's first name(s) -
Father's last name -
Mother's first name(s) -
Mother's last name -
Spouse's first name(s) Ann
Spouse's last name Taylor
Spouse's father's first name(s) -
Spouse's father's last name -
Spouse's mother's first name(s) -
Spouse's mother's last name -

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 17 May 2015 21:02

Marriage of Pascal senior?

First name(s) Pascal<<<<<<<<<
Last name Baillieu<<<<<<<<<<
Name note -
Marriage year 1822
Marriage date 21 Nov 1822
Marriage place St. James Parish, Bristol, Gloucester, England
Father's first name(s) -
Father's last name -
Mother's first name(s) -
Mother's last name -
Spouse's first name(s) Elizabeth<<<<<<<<<<<<
Spouse's last name Stadden<<<<<<<<<<<
Spouse's father's first name(s) -
Spouse's father's last name -
Spouse's mother's first name(s) -
Spouse's mother's last name -
Residence Bristol, Gloucester, England
Place Bristol
County Gloucestershire
Country England
Record set England Marriages 1538-1973
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 17 May 2015 20:53

Marriage of Pascal Jr, note his father's name is Pascal:

Andrews Newspaper Index Cards, 1790-1976


Name: Pascal Baillieu
Father's name: Pascal Baillieu
Spouse's Name: Eliza Vick
Marriage Date: 24 Nov 1856
Marriage Place: Newport, Wales

Image says Baillieu Pascal , aet 25 bach Carriage plater and fitter (journeyman) of Thomas Street Newport son of Pascal Baillieu a dancing master . Married 24 .11.1856 at R. O. Newport to Eliza Vick aet 28 also of Thomas Street Newport dau of James Vick deceased mechanic nail works. Witnesses William Knox Henry Squire.

EDIT:
aet. "aged," abbreviation of Latin aetatis "of the age of,"

Edit:

Death of Eliza:

London, England, Deaths and Burials, 1813-1980

Name: Eliza Baillieu
Record Type: Burial
Age: 63
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Death Date: abt 1891
Burial Date: 31 Dec 1891
Burial Place: St Mary, Acton, England
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Mary, Acton
Borough: Ealing
Register Type: Parish Register

Andrews Newspaper Index Cards, 1790-1976

Name: Eliza Baillieu
Spouse's Name: Pascal Baillieu
Death Date: 23 Dec 1891
Death Place: Acton Green

Image says Baillieu Eliza, wo of Pascal Baillieu a house painter journeyman died 23.12.1891 at Saville Road Acton Green (Acton So)

aet 63

Informant son C Baillieu in attendance of the Steyne [?]} Acton

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 17 May 2015 20:50

Is this Pascal's baptism?

He was aged 11 yrs when he was baptised:

First name(s) Pascal
Last name Baillieu
Gender Male
Birth year -
Birth place -
Baptism year 1834
Baptism date 28 Sep 1834
Baptism age 11Y 3M
Residence Bristol, Gloucester, England
Place Bristol
County Gloucestershire
Country England
Father's first name(s) Pascal
Father's last name Baillieu
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth
Mother's last name -
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975

Baptism was at 'Pip n Jay'

Name: Pascal Baillieu
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 28 Sep 1834
Baptism Place: St. Philip and St. Jacob, Bristol, Gloucester, England
Father: Pascal Baillieu
Mother: Elizabeth
FHL Film Number: 1596679

slightly out with age at death, but not unreasonably so:

Name: Pascal Baillieu
Record Type: Burial
Age: 54
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Death Date: abt 1880
Burial Date: 20 Oct 1880
Burial Place: St Mary, Acton, England
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Mary, Acton
Borough: Ealing
Register Type: Parish Register

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 17 May 2015 20:34

Looks like Amanda almost got married in 1875....

Name: Spenser Summers Rush
Spouse: Amanda Malvina Baillieu<<<<<
Record Type: Banns
Event Date: 26 Sep 1875
Parish: Christ Church, St Marylebone
Borough: Westminster
Register Type: Parish Register

Bachelor & Spinster, Banns Sept 12th, Sept 19th, Sept 26th.

Who was the one that got cold feet...?

malyon

malyon Report 17 May 2015 20:21

WILLIAM A BAYLISS
England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
Collections from
Great Britain
Country
England
County
Middlesex
Year
1966
Birth Year
1893
Age
73
Event Quarter
3
District
BARNET

malyon

malyon Report 17 May 2015 20:12

ALICE ISABELLA BAYLISS
England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
Collections from
Great Britain
Country
England
County
Middlesex
Year
1976
Birth Year
1899
Event Quarter
2
District
BARNET

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 17 May 2015 20:09

No I'm not finding her death either .maybe the spelling is different

safc

safc Report 17 May 2015 19:36

Births Dec 1898 (>99%)
Akearman Alice Isabella Pancras 1b 29

Ed

Ed Report 17 May 2015 19:32

Thanks. I had thought that the death of Amanda would would have been the easiest to find not happening for me

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 17 May 2015 19:26

First name(s) ALICE I
Last name AKERMAN
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1923
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ ALICE I AKERMAN married
WILLIAM A BAYLISS
Spouse's last name BAYLISS
District BARNET
District number -
County Middlesex
Country England
Volume 3A
Page 631
Record set England & Wales marriages 1837-2008



First name(s) CHRISTOPHER L
Last name AKERMAN
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1925
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ CHRISTOPHER L AKERMAN married
VIOLET N BLOTT
Spouse's last name BLOTT
District BARNET
District number -
County Middlesex
Country England
Volume 3A
Page 1075


First name(s) JOSEPH
Last name AKERMAN
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1921
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ JOSEPH AKERMAN married
ELSIE M TAYLOR
Spouse's last name TAYLOR
District BARNET
District number -
County Middlesex
Country England
Volume 3A
Page 775

malyon

malyon Report 17 May 2015 19:13

marriage for alice

Marriages Mar 1923 (>99%)
Akerman Alice I Bayliss Barnet 3a 631

can find no births for alice

Maddie

Maddie Report 17 May 2015 19:07

?????????????

Name: William Akerman
Birth Date: abt 1851
Date of Registration: Dec 1939
Age at Death: 88
Registration district: Ware
Inferred County: Hertfordshire
Volume: 3a
Page: 1411

malyon

malyon Report 17 May 2015 19:06


Amanda Baillieu
England and Wales Census, 1871
Name:
Amanda Baillieu
Event Type:
Census
Event Date:
1871
Gender:
Female
Age:
14
Relationship to Head of Household:
Daughter
Birthplace:
Newport, Monmouthshire
Schedule Type:
Household
Registration District:
Brentford
Sub-District:
Brentford
Parish:
Ealing
County:
Middlesex
Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
Pascal Baillieu Self M 45 Bristol, Somerset
Eliza Baillieu Wife F 42 Stroudwater, Gloucestershire
Amanda Baillieu Daughter F 14 Newport, Monmouthshire
Oskar Baillieu Son M 12 Newport, Monmouthshire
Lorie Baillieu Daughter F 5 Greenford, Middlesex
Lavenia Baillieu Daughter F 3 Greenford, Middlesex
Lambert Baillieu Son M 7 Paddington, Middlesex
Elina Baillieu Daughter F 0 Ealing, Middlesex

Maddie

Maddie Report 17 May 2015 19:04

no middle name
Name: William Ackerman
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 12 Jan 1851
Father's name: Thomas Ackerman
Mother's name: Sarah Ackerman
Parish or Poor Law Union: Cowley
Borough: Hillingdon
Register Type: Parish Registers