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Hi Carol, it's Lorraine. I will give you a call soon so we can catch up x

Carol, it's a couple of months since Luckylainey last posted and she may not be checking back to the thread now. If you click on her name you will be able to send her a personal message which GR will notify her of, as long as she still has the same email address as when she registered with GR. Then keep your fingers crossed she gets back to you.

alice amber is my partners great aunt
Carol

My partner;s family is Amber.
John Amber and his sister Alice Amber
Alice Amber married John Frederick Bates.
John Amber married Charlotte Matilda Bates (John Frederick Bates sister)

Carol

Thank you ArgyllGran, I will look into this one :-)

Between 1901 and 1911, this is the only likely death on FreeBMD - not that that means it's her! :

Deaths Mar 1909 (>99%)
BATES Alice 53 W. Ham 4a 221

Thank you so much for all the help everyone x

Name: Thomas Amber
Registration Year: 1854
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Devizes
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Wiltshire
Volume: 5a
Page: 143
Records on Page:
Name
Thomas Amber
Jane Drew *************************

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Name: Alice Amber
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 28 Dec 1856
Baptism Place: Southbroom St James,Wiltshire,England
Father: Thomas Amber
Mother: Jane
FHL Film Number: 950261, 950262, 950263

Name: William Bates
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Bates
Gender: Male
Where born: Isle of Wight; Newport, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish: Southampton St Mary Extra
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:CARPENTER

Registration district: South Stoneham
Sub-registration district: St Mary Extra
ED, institution, or vessel: 1b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 24
Piece: 1670
Folio: 34
Page Number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
William Bates 27 Carpenter**********same as the 1871 census
Mary Bates 28
Sarah Bates 4
William Bates 2
George Bates 9 Mo

Oh I have just had a thought. William John Drew Bates married in 1901. I wonder if this could have anything to do with the Boer War?

Thank you Mel, yes I think that is John with his Father and his sister Matilda, in 1881.

Thank you for the Kelly's directory information. How do I miss all this info? I am particularly interested in Alice Bates nee Amber as she is my direct ancestor. I will investigate her further.

Thank you all x

UK city and county directories


Name: John Frederick Bates
Street address: 40 Winton street******************
Publication Title: 1902 Kelly's Directory
County: Hampshire
Country: England
Publication Year: 1902
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Is this John with his father and sister??

Name: John Fredk Bates
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Son (Child)
Father's name: Willm Hy Bates
Gender: Male
Where born: Hound, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish: Hound
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Sholing
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Registration district: South Stoneham
Sub-registration district: St Mary Extra
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household schedule number: 141
Piece: 1196
Folio: 43
Page Number: 29
Household Members:
Name Age
Willm Hy Bates 47
Charlotte Matilda Bates 16
John Fredk Bates 13

I know for sure that William John Drew Bates married in Cape Town SA and died there as I have been told by relatives in SA. However, they do not know what happened to his parents either. I do not have the marriage cert but I do know that he married Francina Johanna Hendrina-Josephine Johanna Kruger in Johannesburg Transvaal. This is what I do know: There was an application for a special marriage licence as Josephine was a Minor. She was assisted by her Father in the anti-nuptial agreement and they were married out of Community Of Property, Whatever that means!

I wonder?????

Name: Frederick J Bates
Birth Date: abt 1857
Date of Registration: Mar 1931
Age at Death: 74
Registration district: Southampton
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 2c
Page: 77

Yes it was found on Ancestry but it is an incoming list. He came from Cape Town to Southampton in 1925.

1881 census John is down as Frederick???

Name: Frederick Bates
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Alice Bates
Gender: Male
Where born: Sholing, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish: St Mary Extra
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street address: Church Rd
Marital Status: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Gen Lab
Registration district: South Stoneham
Sub registration district: St Mary Extra
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1216
Folio: 72
Page Number: 18
Household Members:
Name Age
Frederick Bates 25
Alice Bates 25
William Bates 4
Matilda Bates 27John Frederick's sister.********

Greyghost I was going to say that.

Lainey have you the marriage cert for Willliam in South Africa please?

Ohh Thank you Mel Fairy Godmother, I had not been able to find this. Did you find the passenger details for William on Ancestry?

Thank you Yvonne. I cannot find her death either, which does pose the question, did she leave him and he just passed himself off as a widower?

Lainey :-) :-)