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I am researching my family but have hit a brick wall. Their details are:

John Frederick Bates born in Hound, Sholing, Southampton c1856. He married Alice Amber born in Devizes c1856. They were married in Bursledon Hampshire on 5 December 1875. They had a son named William John Drew Bates who was baptized 10th September 1876 in Bursledon Hampshire. I do not know if they had more children.

In 1891 they were all living in South Stoneham, Hampshire. John was a Market Gardener. His son worked as a Junior Clerk.

In 1901 John and Alice Bates were living in South Stoneham. They were running a Pub. There is no sign of their son William.

Now I do know that William John Drew Bates married and died in South Africa.

There seems to be no record of his parents after 1901. If anyone else has these people in their family tree I would be very pleased to hear from them.

Many thanks, Lainey :-D

could this be john in 1911
Name: John Bates
Age in 1911: 59
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation to Head: Paid Asst
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Sholing, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish: West End
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street address: South Stoneham, Union Workhouse, West End, Southampton
Marital Status: Widower (Widowed)
Occupation: General Labourer
Registration district: South Stoneham
Registration District Number: 100
Sub-registration district: South Stoneham
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Piece: 6064

Name: William John Bates
Birth Date: abt 1877
Age: 48
Port of Departure: Durban, South Africa
Arrival Date: 20 Nov 1925
Port of Arrival: Southampton, England
Ports of Voyage: Cape Town
Ship Name: Kinfauns Castle
Search Ship Database: Search for the Kinfauns Castle in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: Union-Castle Mail Steamship Company Ltd
Official Number: 110173

Address 68, Rokeby Road S E 4.

cant see a death for alice bates between 1901 and 1911 wonder if she left john or married again

Thank you Maddie, this could well be John Frederick Bates. I can find no record of a death for Alice Bates prior to 1911 though. So this gives me another conundrum!

Thanks again, Lainey :-S

Mel's post above (which I had looked at but won't duplicate) - on original shows a list of Repatriated Seamen ex of the SS Balla(?sar/sat/rat)

William John Bates is shown as an AB (or Able Seaman) with a proposed address in UK of 68 Rokeby Road, SE4

You sure this is'nt the son??

Name: William Bates
Birth Date: abt 1876
Date of Registration: Mar 1919*************
Age at Death: 43
Registration district: Fareham
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 2b
Page: 1057

Ohh Thank you Mel Fairy Godmother, I had not been able to find this. Did you find the passenger details for William on Ancestry?

Thank you Yvonne. I cannot find her death either, which does pose the question, did she leave him and he just passed himself off as a widower?

Lainey :-) :-)

Greyghost I was going to say that.

Lainey have you the marriage cert for Willliam in South Africa please?

1881 census John is down as Frederick???

Name: Frederick Bates
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Alice Bates
Gender: Male
Where born: Sholing, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish: St Mary Extra
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street address: Church Rd
Marital Status: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Gen Lab
Registration district: South Stoneham
Sub registration district: St Mary Extra
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1216
Folio: 72
Page Number: 18
Household Members:
Name Age
Frederick Bates 25
Alice Bates 25
William Bates 4
Matilda Bates 27John Frederick's sister.********

Yes it was found on Ancestry but it is an incoming list. He came from Cape Town to Southampton in 1925.

I wonder?????

Name: Frederick J Bates
Birth Date: abt 1857
Date of Registration: Mar 1931
Age at Death: 74
Registration district: Southampton
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 2c
Page: 77

I know for sure that William John Drew Bates married in Cape Town SA and died there as I have been told by relatives in SA. However, they do not know what happened to his parents either. I do not have the marriage cert but I do know that he married Francina Johanna Hendrina-Josephine Johanna Kruger in Johannesburg Transvaal. This is what I do know: There was an application for a special marriage licence as Josephine was a Minor. She was assisted by her Father in the anti-nuptial agreement and they were married out of Community Of Property, Whatever that means!

Is this John with his father and sister??

Name: John Fredk Bates
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Son (Child)
Father's name: Willm Hy Bates
Gender: Male
Where born: Hound, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish: Hound
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Sholing
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Registration district: South Stoneham
Sub-registration district: St Mary Extra
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household schedule number: 141
Piece: 1196
Folio: 43
Page Number: 29
Household Members:
Name Age
Willm Hy Bates 47
Charlotte Matilda Bates 16
John Fredk Bates 13

UK city and county directories


Name: John Frederick Bates
Street address: 40 Winton street******************
Publication Title: 1902 Kelly's Directory
County: Hampshire
Country: England
Publication Year: 1902
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Thank you Mel, yes I think that is John with his Father and his sister Matilda, in 1881.

Thank you for the Kelly's directory information. How do I miss all this info? I am particularly interested in Alice Bates nee Amber as she is my direct ancestor. I will investigate her further.

Thank you all x

Oh I have just had a thought. William John Drew Bates married in 1901. I wonder if this could have anything to do with the Boer War?

Name: William Bates
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Bates
Gender: Male
Where born: Isle of Wight; Newport, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish: Southampton St Mary Extra
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:CARPENTER

Registration district: South Stoneham
Sub-registration district: St Mary Extra
ED, institution, or vessel: 1b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 24
Piece: 1670
Folio: 34
Page Number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
William Bates 27 Carpenter**********same as the 1871 census
Mary Bates 28
Sarah Bates 4
William Bates 2
George Bates 9 Mo

christening

Name: Alice Amber
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 28 Dec 1856
Baptism Place: Southbroom St James,Wiltshire,England
Father: Thomas Amber
Mother: Jane
FHL Film Number: 950261, 950262, 950263

Name: Thomas Amber
Registration Year: 1854
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Devizes
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Wiltshire
Volume: 5a
Page: 143
Records on Page:
Name
Thomas Amber
Jane Drew *************************