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Jack

Jack Report 6 May 2015 22:28

Hello everyone, I'm having some real trouble trying to find one of my ancestors! Her name is Catherine Johnson, I belive she was born in jarrow, Durham in 1876 she married Edward smith and had a child Anthony smith in 1917. I'm looking for Catherine's parents, would anyone be able to help please?

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 6 May 2015 22:36

Just for a bit more info. Do you have this cert?

Marriages Dec 1908
JOHNSON Catherine Elizabeth S. Shields 10a 1277
SMITH Edward S. Shields 10a 1277

Rambling

Rambling Report 6 May 2015 22:36

Do you have the marriage cert for father's name?

Marriages Dec 1908 (>99%)

JOHNSON Catherine Elizabeth S. Shields 10a 1277
SMITH Edward S. Shields 10a 1277

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 6 May 2015 22:38

Is this her??

Name: Catherine Smith
Age in 1911: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Jarrow, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Gateshead
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street address: 50 Langton Street
Marital Status: Married
Registration district: Gateshead
Registration District Number: 557
Sub-registration district: Gateshead
ED, institution, or vessel: 50
Piece: 30460
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Smith 46
Catherine Smith 35
Arnold Smith 11
Leslie Smith 9
Ethel Smith 6
Oswald Smith 5
Elizebth Smith 3
Eveleyn Smith 10/12
John Hourston 49
Ann Hourston 43
Jjames John Hourston 8
Archbald Hourston 7
Patterson Ann Hourston 6
Herbert John Hourston 3
Isabea Hourston 1
Raby Kate Hurren 16

Andrew

Andrew Report 6 May 2015 22:40

If correct marriage

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1908 (>99%)
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JOHNSON Catherine Elizabeth S. Shields 10a 1277
SMITH Edward S. Shields 10a 1277

Then this should be family in 1911


Name:Edward Smith
Age in 1911:36
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1875
Relation to Head:Head
Gender:Male
Birth Place:New Barrington, Durham, England
Civil Parish:South Shields
County/Island:Durham
Country:England
Street address:38 Garrick Street
Marital Status:Married
Occupation:Coal Miner
Registration district:South Shields
Registration District Number:556
Sub-registration district:South Shields
ED, institution, or vessel:78
Piece:30337
Household Members:
Name
Age


Edward Smith 36 miner
Catherine Elizebth Smith 32 born South Shields
Margaret Annie Smith 1
Catherine Eliz Smith Under 1/12
Margaret Johnson Smith 73 widow (no relationship given)

Andy

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 6 May 2015 22:41

Possible, but you could do with the marriage cert really.

Name: Catherine Edwards
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relationship to Head: Daughter (Child)
Father: Evan Edwards
Mother: Catherine Edwards
Gender: Female
Where born: Silksworth, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Sunderland Bridge
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street address: Rogersons Ter
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Durham
Sub registration district: St Oswald
ED, institution, or vessel: 35
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4957
Folio: 38
Page Number: 23
Household Members:
Name Age
Evan Edwards 40
Catherine Edwards 36
Annie Edwards 15
John W. Edwards 13
Christiana Edwards 8
Catherine Edwards 6
Evan Edwards 4

Jack

Jack Report 6 May 2015 22:43

Interesting just found that her middle name was Elizabeth, I found a women called Eliza Johnson possibly her mother? There's so many Catherine Johnsons it's hard to tell! Thanks for the info though guys!

Jacqueline

Jacqueline Report 6 May 2015 23:15

her full name is on her marriage record..............which you knew about

Possible birth?

Births Sep 1877 (>99%)
JOHNSON Catherine Elizabeth S. Shields 10a 710

Don't guess..........buy a copy of her marriage cert, to find out if she knew her father's details, then look for them in 1881...........FREE on familysearch

malyon

malyon Report 6 May 2015 23:21

catherine can be could katie

Katie Johnson


England and Wales Census, 1881
Name:
Katie Johnson
Age (Original):
5
Gender:
Female
Birth Year:
1876
Birthplace:
So Shields, Durham, England
Relationship to Head of Household:
Daughter
Marital Status:
Single
Address:
121 Frederick St
Event Place:
Westoe, Durham, England
Record Type:
Household
Affiliate Publication Number:
RG11
Piece/Folio:
5015 / 85
Page Number:
12
Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
William D Johnson Head M 36 So Shields, Durham, England
Sarah J Johnson Wife F 37 No Shields, Northumberland, England
George Johnson Son M 11 So Shields, Durham, England
Jennie Johnson Daughter F 10 So Shields, Durham, England
Sarah J Johnson Daughter F 6 So Shields, Durham, England
Katie Johnson Daughter F 5 So Shields, Durham, England
Margaret A Johnson Daughter F 1 So Shields, Durham, England

malyon

malyon Report 6 May 2015 23:30


Katie Johnson
England and Wales Census, 1891
Name:
Katie Johnson
Event Type:
Census
Event Date:
1891
County:
Durham
Parish:
WESTOE
Ecclesiastical Parish:
ST JUDE
Sub-District:
WESTOE
Registration District:
SOUTH SHIELDS
Gender:
Female
Age:
15
Relationship to Head of Household:
Daughter
Birthplace:
South Shields, Durham
Schedule Type:
Household

Jacqueline

Jacqueline Report 7 May 2015 08:39

Not sure who the Edwards family from a different part of Co Durham relate to...............

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 7 May 2015 09:12

Working back from Andy's 1911 census, I think Margaret Johnson Smith is actually Margaret Johnson, mother of Catherine Elizabeth.


Maybe?

1881

Catherine Elizth. Johnson
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relationship to Head: Daughter (Child)
Father: Thomas Johnson
Mother: Margaret Johnson
Gender: Female
Where born: Westoe, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Westoe
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street address: Westoe Cottages
Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: South Shields
Sub registration district: Westoe
ED, institution, or vessel: 1a
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 5009
Folio: 13
Page Number: 17
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Johnson 34
Margaret Johnson 44
Thomas Hy. Johnson 10
Margaret Ann Johnson 5
Catherine Elizth. Johnson 3
Alice Jane Johnson 11 months

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 7 May 2015 09:19

Same family in 1891. Mother Margaret is widowed and son Thomas is a Gardener, same occupation as his father in 1881. Catherine Elizabeth is now Kate.

Alice Johnson
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Daughter (Child)
Mother's name: Margaret Johnson
Gender: Female
Where born: South Shields, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Westoe
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michaels and All Angels
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: South Shields
ED, institution, or vessel: 22a
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4156
Folio: 94
Page Number: 16
Household Members:
Name Age
Margaret Johnson 54
Thomas H Johnson 20
Kate Johnson 14
Alice Johnson 11

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 7 May 2015 09:29

1901

Margaret Johnson
Age: 63
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation to Head: Servant (Employee)
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Cherington, Northumberland, England
Civil Parish: South Shields
Ecclesiastical parish: South Westoe St Michael and All Angels
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: South Shields
Sub-registration district: South Shields
ED, institution, or vessel: 41
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4732
Folio: 61
Page Number: 9
Household schedule number: 56
Household Members:
Name Age
Ada Sarah Rye 30
Margaret Johnson 63
Catharine E Johnson 23



Address: 23 Argyle Terrace

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 7 May 2015 09:45

Thomas Johnson
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Registration Year: 1887
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 40
Registration district: South Shields
Inferred County: Durham
Volume: 10a
Page: 359

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 7 May 2015 09:59

Margaret Johnson
Birth Date: abt 1838
Date of Registration: Sep 1917
Age at Death: 79
Registration district: South Shields
Inferred County: Durham
Volume: 10a
Page: 736

Jack

Jack Report 7 May 2015 21:15

Yeah I think that's them, Thomas Johnson was born in Ireland!

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 7 May 2015 22:29

Were you previously aware that Catherine's father was born in Ireland?

I still think it would be a good idea to get Catherine's marriage certificate to make sure we have the correct family. I would also buy her birth certificate to find out her mother's maiden surname. If you had that, you would then maybe find a marriage for her parents. That would hopefully give you the name and occupation of Thomas and Margaret's fathers.

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 7 May 2015 22:39

Katharine Elizabeth Johnson
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 17 Jun 1877
Baptism Date: 18 Jul 1877
Baptism Place: St Hildas, South Shields, Durham, England
Father: Thomas Johnson
Mother: Margaret Johnson
FHL Film Number: 1894146

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 7 May 2015 23:23

Struggling to find Thomas with Margaret on the 1871 census.

I wonder if he had been married before and Margaret wasn't the mother of Thomas Henry b. 1871?


1871

Thomas Johnson
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emily Johnson
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Civil Parish: Stranton
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
Town: West Hartlepool
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Registration district: Hartlepool
Sub-registration district: Hartlepool
ED, institution, or vessel: 32
Household schedule number: 106
Piece: 4920
Folio: 14
Page Number: 21
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Johnson 24
Emily Johnson 24