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John William Welch b 1866 in Goxhill lincs

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Jane

Jane Report 28 Apr 2015 15:06

Please can you see if you can find him on the 1901 census. His wife's name is Charlotte Welch b 06/08/1877 reg in caister lincs.

by 1911 they had 3 children Charles Henry b 1905
George William b 1907 and Alice Mary b 1903.
John William Welch and Charlotte Elizabeth Dixon married 1899 in Glanford Brigg Lincs.

Thank you for helping me

Jane

Gritty

Gritty Report 28 Apr 2015 15:16

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
North Street, Winterton, Glanford Brigg, Lincolnshire, England

John Willm Welch Head Married Male 34 1867 Brickyard Laborer Goxhill, Lincolnshire, England
Charlotte Elizth Welch Wife Married Female 23 1878 - Somerby, Lincolnshire, England
Charlotte Emma Welch Daughter - Female 8 1893 - Winterton, Lincolnshire, England
Elizabeth Welch Daughter - Female 4 1897 - Winterton, Lincolnshire, England

greyghost

greyghost Report 28 Apr 2015 15:17

For our info - 1911 census

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Park St Winterton, Winterton, Lincolnshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
John William Welch Head Married Male 44 1867 Lincolnshire Goxhill Iron Stone Miner
Charlotte Elizabeth Welch Wife Married Female 33 1878 Lincolnshire Somerby -
George William Welch Son - Male 9 1902 Lincolnshire Winterton -
Alice Mary Welch Daughter - Female 8 1903 Lincolnshire Winterton -
Charles Henry Welch Son - Male 6 1905 Lincolnshire Winterton -

Married 12 years 3 children born to marriage, 3 still living

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 28 Apr 2015 15:17

John Willem Welch in the 1901 England Census
Name:John Willem Welch
Age:34
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1867
Relation to Head:Head
Gender:Male
Spouse:Charlotte Elizth Welch
Birth Place:Goxhill, Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish:Winterton
Ecclesiastical parish:Winterton All Saints
Town:Winterton
County/Island:Lincolnshire
Country:England

Household Members:


John Willem Welch 34 (Bricklayers Labourer)
Charlotte Elizth Welch 23
Charlotte Emma Welch 8
Elizabeth Welch 4

Jane

Jane Report 28 Apr 2015 15:21

Thank you greyghost, PricklyHolly and Gritty. You have found my family. Thank you very much for helping me.

Jane

greyghost

greyghost Report 28 Apr 2015 15:40

John's 1st marriage??
England & Wales marriages 1837-2008 Transcription

First name(s) JOHN WILLIAM
Last name WELCH
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1889
MarriageFinderâ„¢ JOHN WILLIAM WELCH married ELIZA ANN WELCH
District GLANFORD BRIGG
County Lincolnshire
Volume 7A
Page 1485

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And her death ??
England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription

First name(s) ELIZA ANN
Last name WELCH
Birth year 1867
Age 31
Death quarter 1
Death year 1898
District GLANFORD BRIGG
County Lincolnshire
Volume 7A
Page 478

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John and Eliza on the 1891 census

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Horkstow, Glanford Brigg, Lincolnshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John W Welch Head Married Male 24 1867 Brick Maker Goxhill, Lincolnshire, England
Eliza A Welch Wife Married Female 24 1867 - Winterton, Lincolnshire, England

greyghost

greyghost Report 28 Apr 2015 15:55

To follow through on 1901 census details -

Not picking up John William and Eliza's children on the 1911 census (nor marriage/death prior to then)

Charlotte Emma b 1893
and Elizabeth b 1897 (not found birth either for her)

greyghost

greyghost Report 28 Apr 2015 15:58

?????? not Eliza's daughter

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Births Mar 1897 (>99%)
Dixon Elizabeth Glanford B. 7a 731

Catherine

Catherine Report 28 Apr 2015 16:10

THis could be daughter Charlotte in 1911

Name: Charlotte Welch
Age in 1911: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893
Relation to Head: Servant (Employee)
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Winterton, Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: Wood Green
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address: 28 Rosebery Road, Muswell Hill N
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: General Servant Domestic
Registration district: Edmonton
Registration District Number: 132
Sub-registration district: Wood Green
ED, institution, or vessel: 30
Household schedule number: 199
Piece: 7275
Household Members:
Name Age
Eliza Hugill 45
Charlotte Welch 18

greyghost

greyghost Report 28 Apr 2015 16:11

Here's Elizabeth with Maternal Grandparents in 1911

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
8 Beechfield Road Doncaster, Doncaster, Yorkshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
George Dixon Head Married Male 61 1850 Bigby Lincolnshire Carter
Rebecca Dixon Wife Married Female 63 1848 Winteston Lincolnshire -
Alice Dixon Daughter Single Female 23 1888 Somerby Lincolnshire -
Elizabeth Dixon Granddaughter - Female 14 1897 Winterton Lincolnshire -

Jane

Jane Report 28 Apr 2015 16:13

Thank you very much for that information greyghost and Catherine. I did not realise he married twice. I have added it to my notes.

All the best

Jane

greyghost

greyghost Report 28 Apr 2015 16:15

No wonder couldn't find Charlotte - FMP has her transcribed as Charlotte WEKS which might not be surprising when you look at the original !!

Catherine

Catherine Report 28 Apr 2015 16:18

Could this be Elizabeth under her mother's maiden name?

Name: Elizabeth Dixon
Age in 1911: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897
Relation to Head: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Winterton, Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: Doncaster
County/Island: Yorkshire-West Riding
Country: England
Street address: 8 Beechfield Road Doncaster
Marital Status: Single
Registration district: Doncaster
Registration District Number: 512
Sub-registration district: Doncaster
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Piece: 28197
Household Members:
Name Age
George Dixon 61 Birth Place: Bigby, Lincolnshire, England
Rebbecca Dixon 63 Birth Place: Winterton, Lincolnshire, England
Alice Dixon 23 (daughter) Birth Place: Somerby, Lincolnshire, England
Elizabeth Dixon 14

If the couple didn't marry untill 1899, then she must have been born before they married so could be?

Catherine

Catherine Report 28 Apr 2015 16:20

For ref:- Charlotte with her family in 1891

Name: Charlotte Dixon
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation: Daughter (Child)
Father's name: George Dixon
Mother's name: Rebecca Dixon
Gender: Female
Where born: Somerby, Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: Somerby
Ecclesiastical parish: Somerby
Town: Somerby
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
View image
Registration district: Caistor
Sub registration district: Caistor
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2622
Folio: 88
Page Number: 12
Household Members:
Name Age
George Dixon 41
Rebecca Dixon 44
Charles Dixon 15
Charlotte Dixon 13
Henry J Dixon 11
Mary Dixon 10
George Dixon 8
Alice Dixon 3


......so fits with 1911

greyghost

greyghost Report 28 Apr 2015 16:22

SNAP Catherine - Got there before you on that one - here's the 1881 with George and Rebecca the Grandparents from 1911 - with amongst others daughter Charlotte E b 1868 Somerby as per 1901/1911

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
6, Village, Somerby, Caistor, Lincolnshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
George Dixon Head Married Male 31 1850 Ag Lab Bigby, Lincolnshire, England
Rebecca Dixon Wife Married Female 34 1847 Ag Lab Wife Winterton, Lincolnshire, England
Sarah M Dixon Daughter Single Female 7 1874 Scholar Burringham, Lincolnshire, England
Charles Dixon Son Single Male 5 1876 Scholar Worlaby, Lincolnshire, England
Charlotte E Dixon Daughter Single Female 3 1878 Scholar Somerby, Lincolnshire, England
Henry John Dixon Son Single Male 1 1880 Ag Lab Son Somerby, Lincolnshire, England
Mary Dixon Daughter Single Female 0 1881 - Somerby, Lincolnshire, England

Catherine

Catherine Report 28 Apr 2015 16:28

Strange that Charlotte's birth is registered under the name of Welch

Births Mar 1893 (>99%)
Welch Charlotte Emma Glanford B. 7a 697

...........when her sister who was born after her, was registered under Dixon?

EDIT:- Silly me, she was probably the daughter of his first wife Eliza Ann Welch so the two girls would have been half sisters.

But then Elizabeth was born in 1897 and Eliza didn't die untill 1898 so what was going on there?

Catherine

Catherine Report 28 Apr 2015 16:39

greyghost,
Two heads are better than one, and always good to have someone backing up information found.
That's what you call good team work. :-)

Catherine

Catherine Report 28 Apr 2015 16:44

this looks as though it may be his first wife:-

Name: Eliza A Welch
Registration Year: 1866
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Glanford Brigg
Inferred County: Lincolnshire
Volume: 7a
Page: 619


Name: Eliza A Welch
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Daughter (Child)
Father's name: Thomas Welch
Mother's name: Charlotte Welch
Gender: Female
Where born: Winterton, Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: Winterton
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Registration district: Glanford Brigg
Sub-registration district: Winterton
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household schedule number: 92
Piece: 3431
Folio: 11
Page Number: 15
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Welch 30 - Shepherd
Charlotte Welch 28
Eliza A Welch 3
Sarah R Welch 2


1881
Name: Eliza Ann Welsh
[Eliza Anne Welch]
[Eliza Ann Welch]
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relationship to Head: Daughter (Child)
Father: Thomas Welsh
Mother: Charlotte Welsh
Gender: Female
Where born: Winterton, Lincoln, England
Civil Parish: Winterton
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Street address: Holmes Road
Occupation: No Occupation
Registration district: Glanford Brigg
Sub registration district: Winterton
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3286
Folio: 10
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Welsh 38 - Shepherd
Charlotte Welsh 37
Eliza Ann Welsh 14
Sarah H. Welsh 12
Thomas C. Welsh 9
John Ed. Welsh 2

........but you would need marriage cert. to confirm.

Jane

Jane Report 28 Apr 2015 16:45

Gosh this is going to get confusing. I will have to take a careful look at all this info.

Thank you so much for all your help

Jane

Catherine

Catherine Report 28 Apr 2015 16:51

Don't know if you have this, but if the couple stayed in the same area then these are possible children born after 1911 cenus:-

Births Dec 1914 (>99%)
Welch Vera Dixon Glanford B. 7a 1223

Births Dec 1917 (>99%)
Welch Enid M Dixon Glanford B. 7a 964