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Interestingly, if you look back to the image of that 1841 census for Wm and Elizabeth you will see that there are more Grahams living next door (further up the page), including Edward, Isabella and family.

Edward is also a painter, could he be another one using a middle name (Wm's parents perhaps?)

2 households above them are a family called Hewson (could this be Hewison and related to Elizabeth?) - They are Butchers by trade.

Dea x

EDIT - The family is HEWISON on 1851 !

Dea x

yes i seen edward and isabella and found that edward was williams uncle , edward graham 1782 death 1857 isabella stephenson his wife 1781 went on to wed again and her name then was bolton her death was 1860 but i didnt see the hewison family i wounder if they are connected to mine

i have william grahams parents as william graham 1771 and isabella norton 1781 and parents of william graham 1771 are edward 1750 and ann who had another son sibbling to william graham 1771 edward 1782 who married isabella stephenson

Linda it seems we are giving you info that you already have!

yes i have al this info but all of the williams i have quoted are just william and not john william as it says on margarets marriage even on the baptisim of william in 1805 just says william never a john mentioned this is what i said at beginning of my post why cant i find a john william graham when he dad was said to be john william as it is with all the info i have on william is this realy her dad or have i got the wrong margaret grahams prents

All I can say is that it may have been misunderstood about the name of John William. I know sometimes they put the second name down first as I have had this in my own tree. When some people were baptised they did'nt put their second names down too.

It all looks to me as though it fits.

There are so many deaths for a William about the same time too so it would mean buying an awful lot of death certs to get the right one.

I had a look for a probate but could'nt really find one. As he was a painter and glazier he had a good job and I thought there may have been a little money left to one of the children.

thank you for trying