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Valerie
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21 Feb 2015 16:42 |
Thank you everyone for all your help. this has given me a lot to go on. Val :-)
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Catherine
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19 Feb 2015 22:36 |
It may not look like it but this is Robert and his brother John in 1881:-
Name: Robert W. Rifay Age: 12 Estimated birth year: abt 1869 Relationship to Head: Grandson Gender: Male Where born: Whitby, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Whitby County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address: Grape Lane Occupation: Scholar Registration district: Whitby Sub registration district: Whitby ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 4833 Folio: 59 Page Number: 28 Household Members: Name Age William Burnett 59 born: Darlington, Durham (Jet Worker Lapidary) Mary Burnett 60 born: Whitby Thomas Gay Burnett 32 born: 1849 Whitby (Jet Worker Lapidary) James Burnett 25 born Whitby John Rifay 15 (grandson) Robert W. Rifay 12 (grandson)
Original shows name is John R Gay and Robert W. Gay
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Not sure where but looking at the above census, I would imagine that this marriage should fit in somewhere????
Marriages Mar 1861 (>99%) Burnett William Whitby 9d 609 Gay Mary Whitby 9d 609
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Catherine
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19 Feb 2015 21:59 |
If my 1871 census is correct, then this looks to be the marriage of William and Maria:-
Marriages Dec 1865 (>99%) Atkinson Maria Whitby 9d 915 Brown Elizabeth Whitby 9d 915 ELLIOTT Thomas Whitby 9d 915 Gay William Whitby 9d 915
The couple would have been very young when they married, but as their first son was born in first quarter of 1866 I suspect that it was a bit of a forced marriage.
Just to make sure that all fits for Maria:-
1851
Name: Maria Atkinson Age: 4 Estimated birth year: abt 1847 Relation: Daughter Father's name: Robert Atkinson Mother's name: Ann Atkinson Gender: Female Where born: Whitby, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Whitby Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps: View related Ecclesiastical Parish Town: Whitby County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address: Church Street Registration district: Whitby Sub-registration district: Egton ED, institution, or vessel: 2b Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 133 Piece: 2374 Folio: 261 Page Number: 28 Household Members: Name Age Robert Atkinson 41 - Butcher Ann Atkinson 40 Mary J Atkinson 11 Robert Atkinson 9 Ann Atkinson 6 Maria Atkinson 4 John Atkinson 2 ................................................. 1861 Name: Maria Atkinson Age: 14 Estimated birth year: 1847 Relation: Daughter Father's name: Robert Atkinson Mother's name: Ann Atkinson Gender: Female Where born: Whitby, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Whitby Town: Whitby County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address: Church Street Occupation: Registration district: Whitby Sub-registration district: Whitby ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 65 Piece: 3647 Folio: 97 Page Number: 11 Household Members: Name Age Robert Atkinson 57 - Butcher Ann Atkinson 48 Robt Atkinson 19 - Jet Worker Ann Atkinson 16 Maria Atkinson 14 Jno Atkinson 11 - Jet Worker Eliza Atkinson 8 Emily Atkinson 4
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NOTE:- In 1871 Ann Atkinson (noted as Butcher's widow) and 3 of her daughters from 1861 census are living 2 doors away from William and Maria Gay and their 2 sons.
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Catherine
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19 Feb 2015 21:52 |
Was just checking for a birth reg. for John Robert but couldn't see anything obvious, but I suspect that this is him:-
Name: Robert J Gay Event Type: Birth Registration Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar Registration Year: 1866 Registration District: Whitby County: Yorkshire Event Place: Whitby, Yorkshire, England Volume: 9D Page: 426 Line Number: 213
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19 Feb 2015 21:22 |
I suspect 'Gair' was misheard by the enumerator and he wrote it down as 'Gay'
Note only BMD's had the correct spelling, also there is no birth for a William 'Gay' in Whitby around the time Robert's father was born
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Catherine
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19 Feb 2015 18:12 |
There is a birth for a William Gair in Whitby:-
Births Mar 1847 (>99%) Gair William Whitby 24 540
............so above info may be another person after all????
...........but no birth for a William Gay, so still may be relevant ???? :-S
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Catherine
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19 Feb 2015 18:10 |
Off to get the tea ready but will look in later.
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Catherine
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19 Feb 2015 18:03 |
may also be relevant, if my theory turns out to be correct:-
Name: William Gay Age: 5 Estimated birth year: abt 1846 Relation: Grandson Gender: Male Where born: Whitby, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Whitby Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps: View related Ecclesiastical Parish Town: Whitby County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address:
Registration district: Whitby Sub-registration district: Egton ED, institution, or vessel: 2h Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 37 Piece: 2374 Folio: 362 Page Number: 9 Household Members: Name Age
Hannah Charles 73
Mary Gay 28 - Seaman's wife John E Gay 12 - Jet manufacturer's apprentice William Gay 5 Thomas Gay 1
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Kay????
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19 Feb 2015 18:02 |
Robert Last name Gair Gender Male Birth year - Birth place - Baptism year 1868 Baptism date 30 Aug 1868 Place Newcastle on Tyne County Northumberland Country England Father's first name(s) William Father's last name Gair Mother's first name(s) Katherine Mother's last name - Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Record collection Births & baptisms Collections from Great Britain
?.no second name though.
Perhaps the marriage took place where the bride lived.?
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Catherine
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19 Feb 2015 18:01 |
William in 1881????
Name: William Gay Age: 33 Estimated birth year: abt 1848 Relationship to Head: Head Spouse: Hannah Gay Gender: Male Where born: Whitby, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Whitby County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address: Kelly Yd Ch St Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Jet Worker (Lapidary) Registration district: Whitby Sub registration district: Whitby ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 4833 Folio: 75 Page Number: 20 Household Members: Name Age William Gay 33 Hannah Gay 22
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Valerie
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19 Feb 2015 17:58 |
Thanks you so much for all this information. Yes it is Robert William. I wonder if it is because it is down as Gay and not Gair in the 1871 census thast I have had trouble finding them and the marriage fro William. Val
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19 Feb 2015 17:57 |
?? Following backwards from Catherine's possibility that the surname was written down as Gay
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Baxtergate, Whitby, Yorkshire, England First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Hannah Charles Head Unmarried Female 81 1780 Charwoman Whitby, Yorkshire, England Mary Durrett Daughter Married Female 37 1824 - Whitby, Yorkshire, England William Gay Grandson - Male 14 1847 Jet Worker Whitby, Yorkshire, England Thomas Gay Grandson - Male 11 1850 - Whitby, Yorkshire, England James Gay Grandson - Male 5 1856 - Whitby, Yorkshire, England
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Catherine
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19 Feb 2015 17:54 |
Can't find a birth for a Robert Gair 1868 in Whitby but there is this one:-
Births Sep 1868 (>99%) GAY Robert William Whitby 9d 424
.............so maybe the name got changed over time????
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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19 Feb 2015 17:52 |
Robert William Gair of Boltons Buildings Cliffe St Whitby died 14 Feb 1936 probate York 10th March to Robert William Gair baker.
Effects £635.8s 11d
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Catherine
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19 Feb 2015 17:45 |
John R. from 1871 census?
1901
Name: John R Gair Age: 35 Estimated birth year: abt 1866 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Spouse: Annie Gair Birth Place: Whitby, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Cambridge County/Island: Cambridgeshire Country: England Street address:
Occupation: Boilerman
Registration district: Cambridge Sub-registration district: St Andrew the Less ED, institution, or vessel: 16 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 1529 Folio: 158 Page Number: 28 Household schedule number: 188 Household Members: Name Age John R Gair 35 Annie Gair 35 Ida Gair 8 Maggie Gair 5
same in 1891:-
Name: John Robert Gair Age: 26 Estimated birth year: abt 1865 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Annie Gair Gender: Male Where born: Whitley Civil Parish: St Giles Ecclesiastical parish: St Giles Town: Cambridge County/Island: Cambridgeshire Country: England Street address:
Occupation: College Kitchen Porter
Registration district: Cambridge ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 1288 Folio: 47 Page Number: 9 Household Members: Name Age John Robert Gair 26 Annie Gair 26 Marguerite Fraser 55
Name: John Robert Gair Age in 1911: 46 Estimated birth year: abt 1865 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: Whitby, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Cambridge County/Island: Cambridgeshire Country: England Street address: 112 Sturton Street, Cambridge Marital Status: Married Years Married: 23 Estimated Marriage Year: 1888 Occupation: College Servant Registration district: Cambridge Registration District Number: 181 Sub-registration district: St Andrew the Less ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Household schedule number: 5 Piece: 9110 Household Members: Name Age John Robert Gair 46 Annie Gair 46 Ida Gair 18 Maggie Gair 15 Sidney Hubert Gair 5
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Catherine
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19 Feb 2015 17:41 |
A possible second marriage for Robert????
Name: Robert W Gair Event Type: Marriage Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec Registration Year: 1913 Registration District: Whitby County: Yorkshire Event Place: Whitby, Yorkshire, England Spouse Name (available after 1911): Poad Volume: 9D Page: 1030 Line Number: 45 Robert W Gair probably married one of the following people Name: Annie Poad
and possible death????
Name: Robert W Gair Event Type: Death Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar Registration Year: 1936 Registration District: Whitby County: Yorkshire Event Place: Whitby, Yorkshire, England Age (available after 1866): 67 Birth Year (Estimated): 1869 Volume: 9D Page: 676 Line Number: 118
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Catherine
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19 Feb 2015 17:29 |
Just wondering about this one?
1871 Name: Robert W Gay Age: 2 Estimated birth year: abt 1869 Relation: Son Father's name: William Gay Mother's name: Maria Gay Gender: Male Where born: Whitby, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Whitby Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Town: Whitby County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration district: Whitby Sub-registration district: Whitby ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Household schedule number: 159 Piece: 4848 Folio: 17 Page Number: 27 Household Members: Name Age William Gay 22 - Jet Worker Maria Gay 21 John R Gay 5 Robert W Gay 2
..............need to look further to see if name is a possible error.
EDIT:- original does show name as Gay but wondering if the person who took details misheard the name. As Robert was working as a Jet Worker in later census it still may be worth keeping on file.
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Catherine
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19 Feb 2015 17:28 |
Any idea of William's wife and Robert mother's name?
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Catherine
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19 Feb 2015 17:26 |
same in 1891
Name: Robert Gair Age: 21 Estimated birth year: abt 1870 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Charlotte Gair Gender: Male Where born: Whitby, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Whitby Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Town: Whitby County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address:
Occupation: Jet Worker
Registration district: Whitby ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 3994 Folio: 134 Page Number: 13 Household Members: Name Age Robert Gair 21 Charlotte Gair 21 Robert Gair 8/12
If this is correct then this would be his marriage:-
Name: Robert William Gair Event Type: Marriage Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun Registration Year: 1890 Registration District: Whitby County: Yorkshire Event Place: Whitby, Yorkshire, England Volume: 9D Page: 739 Line Number: 289 Robert William Gair probably married one of the following people Name: William Carter Colling Name: Eliza Jane Craner Name: Charlotte Taggart
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Catherine
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19 Feb 2015 17:25 |
Did son Robert have a middle name?
Possible 1901? Name: Robert W Gair Age: 33 Estimated birth year: abt 1868 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Spouse: Charlotte Gair Birth Place: Whitby, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Whitby Ecclesiastical parish: Whitby St Mary and St Peter County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address:
Occupation: General Baker (Bread)
Registration district: Whitby Sub-registration district: Whitby ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 4559 Folio: 110 Page Number: 16 Household schedule number: 116 Household Members: Name Age Robert W Gair 33 Charlotte Gair 31 Robert W Gair 10 Herbert Gair 7 Nelly Gair 4 John T Gair 2 Florence Gair 11/12
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