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Marriages Mar 1845
EMMERICK Charles James Lambeth 4 248

if you got that marriage certificate there is a chance it would state father John's occupation

Charles is shown in 1841 in St Giles in the Fiels as a Brass Founder, but unfortunately is not living with any family

Philip 1808 is also in the 1841 census as a Brass Founder, aged 25, with wife Elizabeth ... so I don't think the second Philip referred to in that narrative is a son of the same couple, since the first did not die ... Philip has a son aged 7 so I think the younger Philip is grandson of John and Mary (I think something posted by AnnCardiff may have shown that)


I wonder whether it's interesting that in 1841 Philip is at the same address as a James Merrick and family ... probably just a coincidence of names, I guess.


since John married in England in 1807, he was in England long before the lions were a gleam in their creators' eye :-)


all of the information posted by AnnCardiff is readily available at familysearch.org, as she says, e.g. by searching for births with surname Emmerick and parents John and Mary, 1805-1830

(some of the info appears to come from family trees there, which of course, just as a general rule, should always be treated cautiously without records to confirm)

Lion at the base of Nelson's Column, Trafalgar Square. Sir Edwin Henry Landseer, RA (1802-1873). Each of the four lions, which is 20 feet long and 22 feet high, was cast by Baron Marochetti and finally placed in position in 1867. [another view]

THis is great, I am from the Philip Nicolas line and i have not been able to get anything on his twin either. Its interesting that all the info seem to lead to this first John but i don't think he could have come from England, the family legend is that he came over from Germany to cast the lions in trafalgar but that cant be true either and i have not found any evidence yet.

everything I've posted is from www.familysearch.org

William George /EMERICK/

birth: 3 October 1834
death: 4 September 1910


Charles John /EMMERICK/

birth: 18 December 1836
death:


Henry /EMMERICK/

birth: 29 December 1838
death: 3 April 1871


Frederick /EMMERICK/

birth: 6 January 1842
death:


John /EMMERICK/

birth: 10 November 1844
death: 22 March 1872

William George /EMMERICK/

birth: 7 December 1810
Marylebone,England
death: 20 December 1870
London,England
spouse:
Mary /MONDAY/

birth: about 1812
marriage: about 1833

William George /EMMERICK/

birth: 26 November 1847
death: 28 January 1910


James Charles /EMMERICK/

birth: 28 September 1849
death:


George Thomas /EMMERICK/

birth: 23 October 1854
death:


Henry Philip /EMMERICK/

birth: 22 August 1856
death:


Walter /EMMERICK/

birth: 1857
death: 1858

Frederick John /EMERICK/

birth: 8 July 1823
England
death:
England
more
spouse:
Harriet /EAST/

birth: about 1825
marriage: 25 August 1845

Phillip John /EMMERICK/

birth: 1 October 1833
death:


Walter Humphreys /EMMERICK/

birth: 5 March 1837
death:


John Charles /EMMERICK/

birth: 23 October 1839
death:

James Thomas /EMMERICK/

birth: 1842
death: 1843

Philip Nicholas /EMMERICK/

birth: 25 July 1808
London,England
death: 28 October 1869
England
spouse:
Elizabeth /MUGGLETON/

birth: about 1810
marriage: 2 February 1933

Charles James /EMERICK/

birth: 16 March 1818
England
death:
England
spouse:
Mary /HALE/

birth: about 1820
marriage: 30 March 1845

Mary Monday /Emerick/

birth: 1871
death:

Henry /Emerick/

birth: 29 December 1838
Marylebone,England
death: 3 April 1871
Auatralia

spouse:
Mary /Gomersall/

birth: 1845
death:
William George /Emerick/

birth: 7 December 1810
Marylebone,Middlesex,England
death: 20 December 1870
London,England


Mary /Monday/

birth: about 1807
Middlesex,England
death:

John /EMMERICK/

birth: 25 July 1808
death:


Philip Nicholas /EMMERICK/

birth: 25 July 1808
death: 28 October 1869


William George /EMMERICK/

birth: 7 December 1810
death: 20 December 1870


Mary Sophia /EMERICK/

birth: 5 March 1813
death:


Eliza Ann /EMERICK/

birth: 30 August 1815
death:


Charles James /EMERICK/

birth: 16 March 1818
death:


Frederick John /EMERICK/

birth: 8 July 1823
death:
John /EMMERICK/

birth: about 1782
England
death:
England
less


More information

marriage: 19 October 1807
St. George Church,Hanover Sq. London,England
spouse:
Mary /GREEN/

birth: about 1784
marriage: 19 October 1807

now I realise that when I put Emmerich into google why I got loads of clockmakers!!!

EARLY HISTORY

The name Emmerick probably had its origins in the town of Emmerich
on the Rhine River in Germany at the Dutch border. It is possible that
our ancestors came to England with William the Conqueror. There is an
Emerick listed in the Doomsday Book of 1086.

We have records of odd Emmericks down through the years in England:
William Emeric in 1276. The following is an extract from the
Calendar of Letter Books of the City of London.

"Thursday before the 15th day after Easter, 1276.
Falk le Taverner and Walter de Norwych, skinner, acknowledged that they
owed William Emeric, merchant of Gascony, 19 1/2 marks, under a deed
which Peregrine Peset, burgess of Bordeaux, attorney of the said William,
produced before the Mayor and reputable men of the City; on condition
that whensoever the Mayor of Bordeaux should transmit letters of the
commune of the City of Bordeaux to the Mayor of London certifying that
the said William Emeric had truely stated the amount in arrear of the
aforesaid 19 1/2 marks. The said Falk and Walter would answer the said
William as to the residue, unless the said Falk and Walter could truely
declare that they had paid the said William more than he had declared."

There was a family of Emmericks living at Westminster in the latter
half of the 16th century, one of whom was Robert EMMERICK who was buried
in St. Margaret's, Westminster in 1590. Also at this period there was an
EMMERICK family living in Farnham, Surrey. A number of other EMMERICKS
have been found living in London in the 17th and 18th century.

John EMMERICK (c1780 - c1830)

Our first known ancestor was John EMMERICK who married Mary GREEN on
19th Oct 1807 at St. George's Church, Hanover Square, London.
At the time of his marriage John was living in the Parish of St.
Pancras. A search made of the St. Pancras baptisms failed to find any
EMMERICK births for the period from 1770 to 1800 when John should have
been born. So John was obviously born elsewhere. Searches of the baptisms
of the surrounding parishes also failed to find his birth. Other parish
records searched were St. Mary, Islington, St. James, Clerkenwell, St.
John, Clerkenwell and St. George, Bloomsbury. So we will have to look
further afeild. As there are many parishes in London, it may take some
time. The next parish I will search is St. Katherine by the Tower as a
John EMERICK was bapisted there in 1749 and could be our John's father.

After John and Mary were married they settled at Marylebone and John
worked as a pianoforte maker. John died some time between 1823 and 1845.
The civil registration records have been checked from 1837-1845 with no
result, so he proably died between 1823 and 1837. The burial records of
St. Marylebone Church have been checked from 1832 to 1837 with no
result. So I will go on to check the burials back to 1823 and hopefully
find John's death. This will probably only give the date of death plus
age but this will give a fairly accurate idea of his birth year and
hopefully make his birth easier to find.

CHILDREN of JOHN and MARY

John and Mary had seven children, all born at Marylebone, two of
whom were twins. These twins were born on 25th July, 1808 and were named
John and Philip Nicholas, William George (our ancestor) followed on 7th
February, 1810, to be followed by Mary Sophia in 1813, Eliza Ann 1815,
Charles James 1818, and Frederick John in 1823.

Philip Nicholas worked as a brass founder but there is no record of
his twin John, perhaps John died in infancy. William George was a gas
fitter's labourer while Charles James was a brass founder and Frederick
John a brass finisher.

JOHN EMERICK (1794 - 1865)

I have been building up the life of a John EMERICK who was born in
1794 and whom I think must have been a cousin to our John who married
Mary GREEN. This John was a clock case maker who married Charlotte
STALLARD in 1819 at St. George's, Hanover Square. They then settled in
the Parish of St. Pancras until October, 1832 when Charlotte deserted
John and moved out of the parish. Two days later John left and went to
live in the Parish of St. Luke Old Street at 26 Bartholomew Terrace. By
1839 John was living at 8 Coberg Street, Clerkenwell and still working as
a clock case maker. He was still there in 1855 but also in that year
there was a Frederick John EMERICK living at 58 Percival Street,
Clerkenwell and working as clock frame marker. this Frederick John would
surely be the son of John. Now our John's son, Frederick John was listed
in the directories for 1852 as a brass finisher and turner living at 76
Margaret Street, Wilmington Square. So there must have been two men by
the name of Frederick John EMERICK. The same family names are there so
the John who married Charlotte must have been a close relative. It also
seems that he witnessed the marriage of our Frederick John to Harriet
EAST in 1845. This John died on 3rd June, 1865.

There is also a record of a Philip EMERICK born 1826 and died 1890
who may also have been a son of John and Charlotte. He witnessed the
marriage of Charles James in 1845.

A Charles EMERICK is listed in the directories in 1836 as a clock
case maker living at 5 Clarke's Place, Bagnigge Wells Rd. Perhaps he was
a brother to John or even his father.

In the directories there is also a John EMERICK listed in 1828 as
the licensee of "The Fox", a public house in Sherrard Street. Where does
he fit in? He couldn't have been our John, the pianoforte maker or John
the clock case maker or even John the twin if Philip Nicholas. It is
unlikely that he was the twin as this John would have been only 20 years
old in 1828.

This is great Ann thank you

Emmerich is a German name

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Name: John Emmerick
Event Type: Burial
Burial Date: 14 Jun 1835
Burial Place: Clerkenwell, London
Affiliate Publication Number: RG4_4366

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Name: John Emerick
Event Type: Death
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration Year: 1865
Registration District: Clerkenwell
County: London
Event Place: Clerkenwell, London, England
Volume: 1B
Page: 418
Line Number: 7

Name: Philip Nichas. Emerick
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 23 Oct 1808
Christening Place: SAINT MARY-ST MARYLEBONE ROAD,ST MARYLEBONE,LONDON,ENGLAND
Birth Date: 25 Sep 1808
Father's Name: John Emerick
Mother's Name: Mary

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C03524-5 , System Origin: England-ODM , GS Film number: 580907, 580908

Name: John Emerick
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 23 Oct 1808
Christening Place: SAINT MARY-ST MARYLEBONE ROAD,ST MARYLEBONE,LONDON,ENGLAND
Birth Date: 25 Jul 1808
Father's Name: John Emerick
Mother's Name: Mary

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C03524-5 , System Origin: England-ODM , GS Film number: 580907, 580908

Name: Frederick John Emmerick
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 19 Oct 1823
Christening Place: SAINT MARY-ST MARYLEBONE ROAD,ST MARYLEBONE,LONDON,ENGLAND
Birth Date: 08 Jul 1823
Father's Name: John Emmerick
Mother's Name: Mary

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C03524-7 , System Origin: England-ODM , GS Film number: 580910, 580911, 580912

Name: Charles James Emmerick
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 07 Jun 1818
Christening Place: SAINT MARY-ST MARYLEBONE ROAD,ST MARYLEBONE,LONDON,ENGLAND
Birth Date: 16 Mar 1818
Father's Name: John Emmerick
Mother's Name: Mary

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C03524-6 , System Origin: England-ODM , GS Film number: 580908, 580909, 580910