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9 Feb 2015 13:56 |
Please look at end of thread ....
I have :-
1911 Census VELLAM CHARLES M 1864 47 Newmarket Cambridgeshire VELLAM HANNAH F 1873 38 Newmarket Cambridgeshire VELLAM WILLIAM M 1897 14 Newmarket Cambridgeshire VELLAM ETHEL F 1898 13 Newmarket Cambridgeshire VELLAM CECIL M 1899 12 Newmarket Cambridgeshire VELLAM ARTHER M 1902 9 Newmarket Cambridgeshire VELLAM LEWIS M 1908 3 Newmarket Cambridgeshire
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Marriages Mar 1894 Vellam Charles Betts W. Ham 4a 182
King Hannah Elizabeth W. Ham 4a 182
and I am trying to find the family of Hannah Elizabeth. Please can anybody see her place of birth? I am told she has a sister Lucy, who married Charles younger brother Alfred.
Many thanks, Frances
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9 Feb 2015 14:00 |
Name: Charles Betts Vellam Birth Date: 1865 Birthplace: Age: 29 Spouse's Name: Hannah Elizabeth King Spouse's Birth Date: 1873 Spouse's Birthplace: Spouse's Age: 21 Event Date: 1894 Event Place: Walthamstow, St. Saviors Church, Essex, Eng. Father's Name: Charles Betts Vellam Mother's Name: Spouse's Father's Name: Matthew King Spouse's Mother's Name: Race: Marital Status: Previous Wife's Name: Spouse's Race: Spouse's Marital Status: Spouse's Previous Husband's Name: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M16391-1 System Origin: England-VR GS Film number: 1564165 Reference ID: 2:3QQGFS1
Citing this Record: "England Marriages, 1538–1973 ," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NFNJ-BZ3 : accessed 9 February 2015), Charles Betts Vellam and Hannah Elizabeth King, 1894; citing Walthamstow, St. Saviors Church, Essex, Eng., reference 2:3QQGFS1; FHL microfilm 1,564,165.
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9 Feb 2015 14:02 |
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 21, Anchor Lane, Lakenheath, Mildenhall, Suffolk, England
Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Matthew King Head Married Male 30 1851 Pedlar Lakenheath, Suffolk, England Transcription Margaret King Wife Married Female 29 1852 - Lakenheath, Suffolk, England Transcription Hannah E King Daughter Single Female 8 1873 Scholar Lakenheath, Suffolk, England Transcription Lucy M King Daughter Single Female 6 1875 Scholar Lakenheath, Suffolk, England Transcription Matthew King Son Single Male 4 1877 - Lakenheath, Suffolk, England Transcription Jonah King Son Single Male 2 1879 - Lakenheath, Suffolk, England
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9 Feb 2015 14:03 |
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription River Bank, Swaffham Prior, Newmarket, Cambridgeshire, England
Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Charles B Vellam Head Married Male 36 1865 Foreman On Farm Lincolnshire, England Transcription Hannah E Vellam Wife Married Female 28 1873 - Lakenheath, Suffolk, England Transcription Florence M Vellam Daughter - Female 6 1895 - Walthamstow, Essex, England Transcription William H Vellam Son - Male 4 1897 - Walthamstow, Essex, England Transcription Ethel Vellam Daughter - Female 3 1898 - Walthamstow, Essex, England Transcription Cecil H Vellam Son - Male 2 1899 - Walthamstow, Essex, England
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9 Feb 2015 14:04 |
1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Toft Farm Burwell Cambridgeshire, Burwell, Cambridgeshire, England
Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Birth place Occupation Charles Vellam Head Married Male 47 1864 Crowland Lincolnshire Yardman On Farm Transcription Hannah Vellam Wife Married Female 38 1873 Lakenheath Suffolk - Transcription William Vellam Son - Male 14 1897 Walthamstow Essex Work On Farm Transcription Ethel Vellam Daughter - Female 13 1898 Walthamstow Essex - Transcription Cecil Vellam Son - Male 12 1899 Walthamstow Essex School Transcription Arther Vellam Son - Male 9 1902 Swaffham Prior Fen Cambs School Transcription Lewis Vellam Son - Male 3 1908 Reach Cambs -
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9 Feb 2015 14:14 |
Matthew King in the 1911 England Census Name:Matthew King Age in 1911:59 Estimated birth year:abt 1852 Relation to Head:Head Gender:Male Birth Place:Lakenheath, Suffolk, England Civil Parish:Lakenheath County/Island:Suffolk Country:England Street address:Anchor Lane, Lakenheath Marital Status:Married Occupation:Postman Rural Registration district:Mildenhall Registration District Number:208 Sub-registration district:Mildenhall
Household Members:
Matthew King 59 Margaret King 58 Bertie King 26 Bessie King 19 Elsie King 17
Married 40 years......12 children born, 9 living, 3 had died
Matthew King in the 1901 England Census Name:Matthew King Age:49 Estimated birth year:abt 1852 Relation to Head:Head Gender:Male Spouse: Magaret King Birth Place:Lakenheath, Suffolk, England Civil Parish:Lakenheath Ecclesiastical parish:St Mary Town:Lakenheath County/Island:Suffolk Country:England
Household Members:
Matthew King 49 (Fish Monger) Magaret King 48 Matthew King 23 Bertie King 19 Margerson King 15 Millie K King 12 Bessie King 9
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9 Feb 2015 14:16 |
County Suffolk Place Lakenheath Church All Saints RegisterNumber 772 DateOfBirth BaptismDate 06 Apr 1873 Forename Hannah Elizabeth Sex F FatherForename Matthew MotherForename Margaret FatherSurname KING MotherSurname Abode Lakenheath FatherOccupation Labourer Notes FileNumber 6592
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Frances
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9 Feb 2015 14:16 |
Thank you safc, that is fantastic and will put my contact from Ancestry on the right road.
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Frances
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9 Feb 2015 14:43 |
Thank you PricklyHolly, I must have missed your contribution first time round, while I was replying to safc .....You all keep doing it to me, just to emphasize my slow typing!
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Frances
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9 Feb 2015 15:33 |
I have spent some time looking for Matthew King being born c.1852 in Suffolk in FreeBMD with no success. Can anybody see him in the 1861 census that could correspond please?
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9 Feb 2015 16:15 |
Matthew King in the 1861 England Census Name:Matthew King Age:10 Estimated birth year:1851 Relation:Son Father's name:Samuel King Mother's name:Hannah King Gender:Male Where born:Lakenheath, Suffolk, England Civil Parish:Lakenheath Ecclesiastical parish:Sudbury County/Island:Suffolk Country:England Registration district:Mildenhall Sub-registration district:Lakenheath
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Samuel King 43 Hannah King 44 Matthew King 10 Lucy King 9 Maria King 5
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9 Feb 2015 16:16 |
County Suffolk Place Lakenheath Church All Saints RegisterNumber 489 MarriageDate 09 Dec 1871 GroomForename Matthew GroomSurname KING GroomAge 21 GroomParish GroomCondition Bachelor GroomOccupation Labourer BrideForename Margaret BrideSurname ELVIN BrideAge 20 BrideCondition Spinster GroomFatherForename Matthew GroomFatherSurname KING GroomFatherOccupation Labourer BrideFatherForename William BrideFatherSurname ELVIN BrideFatherOccupation Labourer WitnessOneForename Robert WitnessOneSurname RAMAGE WitnessTwoForename Maria WitnessTwoSurname KING Notes He signs William King. She signs X
(from below free to use link)
http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl
Chris :)
(perhaps one of below)
Births Jun 1850 (>99%) ------------------------------------------ King Male Mildenhall 13 508
Births Sep 1850 (>99%) -------------------------------------------- King Male Newmarket 14 124 King Male Mildenhall 13 455
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9 Feb 2015 16:18 |
Name:Matthew King Age:10 Mo Estimated birth year:abt 1850 Relation:Son Mother's name:Hannah King Gender:Male Where born:Lakenheath, Suffolk, England Civil Parish:Lakenheath County/Island:Suffolk Country:England Registration district:Mildenhall
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Hannah King 35 >>>>>Samuel on the image Hannah King 35 Robert King 4 Eliza King 2 Matthew King 10 Mo
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Jacqueline
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9 Feb 2015 16:20 |
You may find his birth simply wasn't registered.
try looking for a baptism
https://familysearch.org/
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Chris Ho :)
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9 Feb 2015 16:22 |
Baptism County Suffolk Place Lakenheath Church All Saints RegisterNumber 78 DateOfBirth BaptismDate 04 Jul 1858 Forename Matthew Sex M FatherForename Samuel MotherForename Hannah FatherSurname KING MotherSurname Abode Lakenheath FatherOccupation Labourer
(above also from link, if later one, Father now Samuel!)
Chris :)
http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl
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Frances
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9 Feb 2015 16:33 |
Thank you PricklyHolly and Chris Ho, I now have his family and can try and progress them back in IGI as now is - FamilySearch.
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9 Feb 2015 16:35 |
Samuel King in the England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915 Registration Year:1847 Registration Quarter:Jan-Feb-Mar Registration district:Mildenhall Inferred County:Suffolk Volume:13 Page:721
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Hannah Gathercole Samuel King
Note that on the 1881 and 1891 census Samuel and Hannah have a William Gathercole lodging with them.
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10 Feb 2015 16:08 |
Hi PricklyHolly, sorry I have not thanked you for Samuel King's marriage but I did wonder when I found him in FreeBMD why his wife's name Gathercole seemed familiar...... obviously I hadn't looked 'through the wndow'. I reckon William must be her brother? Can't find him in IGI though.
Does William have any more siblings in the 1861 please?
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10 Feb 2015 19:20 |
County Suffolk Place Lakenheath Church All Saints RegisterNumber 140 MarriageDate 09 Feb 1847 GroomForename Samuel GroomSurname KING GroomCondition Bachelor GroomOccupation Labourer BrideForename Hannah BrideSurname GATHERCOLE BrideCondition Spinster GroomFatherForename Samuel GroomFatherSurname KING GroomFatherOccupation Shoemaker BrideFatherForename Robert BrideFatherSurname GATHERCOLE BrideFatherOccupation Labourer WitnessOneForename James WitnessOneSurname SHINN WitnessTwoForename Joseph WitnessTwoSurname MORLEY Notes They both sign X
Baptism County Suffolk Place Lakenheath Church All Saints RegisterNumber DateOfBirth BaptismDate 21 Apr 1816 Forename Hannah Sex F FatherForename Robert MotherForename Lucy FatherSurname GATHERCOLE MotherSurname Abode Lakenheath FatherOccupation Labourer
County Suffolk Place Lakenheath Church All Saints RegisterNumber MarriageDate 17 May 1810 GroomForename Robert GroomSurname GATHERCOLE GroomCondition Bachelor BrideForename Lucy BrideSurname TURRINGTON BrideCondition Spinster BrideFatherOccupation WitnessOneForename John WitnessOneSurname SIMPSON WitnessTwoForename Thomas WitnessTwoSurname HENSBY Notes They Both Sign X
http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl
1841 (Find My Past) Lucy Gathercole Female 60 1781 Suffolk, England (Pauper) Hanah Gathercole Female 24 1817 Suffolk, England Mary Ann Gathercole Female 19 1822 Suffolk, England Street Anchor Lane Parish or township Lakenhall (Lakenheath) County Suffolk Registration district Mildenhall Archive reference HO107 Piece number 1027 Book number 12 Folio number 30 Page number 17
Chris :)
Baptism County Suffolk Place Lakenheath Church All Saints RegisterNumber DateOfBirth BaptismDate 07 May 1826 Forename William Sex M FatherForename William MotherForename Susan FatherSurname GATHERCOLE MotherSurname Abode Lakenheath FatherOccupation Labourer
(above possible William)
County Suffolk Place Lakenheath Church All Saints RegisterNumber 98 MarriageDate 05 Dec 1824 GroomForename William GroomSurname GATHERCOLE GroomCondition Bachelor BrideForename Susan BrideSurname HORN BrideCondition Spinster WitnessOneForename Richard WitnessOneSurname HORN WitnessTwoForename Hannah WitnessTwoSurname RUTTERFORD Notes With Consent Of Parents
1871 (Find My Past) William Gathercole Head - Male 83 1788 - Suffolk, England William Gathercole Son - Male 44 1827 - Suffolk, England Hannah Horn Servant - Female 70 1801 - Suffolk, England Street High Street Parish Lakenheath County Suffolk Registration district Mildenhall Archive reference RG10 Piece number 1730 Folio 57 Page 28
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10 Feb 2015 20:22 |
Unfortunately, it doesn't state William's relationship to Samuel King on the 1881 and 1891 census. Only that he is a "Lodger"
Take note that on the 1881 census it states........Unmarried
1891 census..........Single.
This might be William on the 1901 census.....
William Gathercole in the 1901 England Census Name:William Gathercole Age:74 Estimated birth year:abt 1827 Relation to Head:Boarder Gender:Male Birth Place:Mildenhall Civil Parish:Lakenheath Ecclesiastical parish:St Mary Town:Lakenheath County/Island:Suffolk Country:England Registration district:Mildenhall Sub-registration district:Mildenhall Household Members:
James Brown 57 Ann Brown 56 William Gathercole 74 (Single) No Occupation
As a matter of interest.......Living nest door is........
William J Gathercole in the 1901 England Census William J Gathercole Age:88 Estimated birth year:abt 1813 Relation to Head:Head Gender:Male Spouse:Harriet Gathercole Birth Place: Brandon, Suffolk, England Civil Parish:Lakenheath Ecclesiastical parish:St Mary Town:Lakenheath County/Island:Suffolk Country:England Registration district:Mildenhall
Household Members:
William J Gathercole 88 (Union Parochial Relief) Harriet Gathercole 55 (Wife) John W Gathercole 8 (Son)
I will look into this again tomorrow when I have more time.
Prickles :-)
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