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Good Morning Gins & JoonieCloonie Thank you for finding this out for me , and your right , it is a brother . I will go and check just to be sure

Thanks again

Sheilafromdownunder
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I had a peek at this thread yesterday because I have Souters in my tree ... husband of a sister of a brother-in-law :-) ... but they were very wealthy Souters ... unlike my family their in-law married into ...

so Sheila you say his line of Souters live in SA, presumably this doesn't mean descendants of him, rather Souters related to or descended from his father ...?

I did a search at

http://www.national.archsrch.gov.za/sm300cv/smws/sm300dl
'All Archives Repositories and National Registers of non-public records'

but there is nothing for Charles Souter

Kevin Asplin
http://www.britishmedals.us/
http://www.britishmedals.us/kevin/intro.html
has a great deal of info about the 2nd Anglo-Afghan War, but nothing there about the 1st. However, he is very helpful and would probably be able to tell you whether anything is accessible.

Hi Sheila

In answer to your question, I really don't know :-(

On a Google search there does appear to be some sites that have some listings of the 188/1881 campaign and one site had a specialist that you could email

How can we find out Gins , Because his line of Souters live in South Africa now Sheila Sorry it's past 11 pm so am of to bed

As there seems to be no sight of Charles after the 1871 census, it might be possible that he fought and died in the first Boer war - 1880/1881

I understand, here we say G'day , but like you I don't. ALL information is valuable. As I found out . I was looking for my birth mother , and there were 3 ladies with the same name born within a week of each other in the same year. it cost a lot of money to get GRO records to find the right 1 Which I did ,in the end so I learnt a valuable lesson Sheila

That's OK then................have a nice day, as the saying goes, although it's not one I use as a matter of course

It is ALL of value Jacqueline, I have taken a "hard copy" of the whole of this post , and after breakfast( it's 9am in Australia) I'll sit down and write it all out and see what fits & what will have to be looked at harder Every little bit of info: is great as You all have found things I didn't Thanks again to ALL
Sheila :-)

Was the other info of no value?

Good Morning Sylvialn Thank you sooooooo much, you did put a lot of effort & time in this , for which I am so truly grateful

Sheila xox

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I spent a lot of time last night looking for variants

I noticed that there were several corrections on ancestry for "souter", which is not as uncommon a name as one would think. t had been mistranscribed in various wild and wonderful ways, but a common one was a mis-transcription of the capital "S" ........ especially for "T", "F" or "L"


I used the wild card * to stand in for 1 or more missing or different letters


so I searched for


*outer

and s*ter





I did notice that there was more than one Charles Robert Souter, including one born in 1867 ................ so one has to be careful to find the one with the correct birth year AND father

Don't forget to try variants, Sheila

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
13, Darien Road, Battersea, Wandsworth, London, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Chas Fred Soutar Head Married Male 61 1840 Candle Labourer Guildford, Surrey, England Transcription
Mary Ann Soutar Wife Married Female 57 1844 - Guildford, Surrey, England

The father was recorded as SoWter on his marriage index on freebmd

Unfortunately, the father is widowed by 1911, so no way of knowing if any of the children died

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
75 Malva Road Wandsworth S W, Wandsworth, London, England


First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Stephen Holloway Head Married Male 35 1876 Lambeth Surrey Sanitary Work General Labourer Transcription
Alice Sarah Holloway Wife Married Female 35 1876 Wandsworth Surrey - Transcription
Stephebn Frederick Holloway Son Single Male 15 1896 Mitcham Surrey Printers Labourer Transcription
Thomas Charles Holloway Son - Male 12 1899 Mitcham Surrey - Transcription
Henry Alfred Holloway Son - Male 6 1905 Mitcham Surrey - Transcription
Lillian Alice Holloway Daughter - Female 4 1907 Mitcham Surrey - Transcription
Charles George Holloway Son - Male 1 1910 Wandsworth Surrey - Transcription
Charles Frederick Souter Grandfather Widow Male 71 1840 Kennington Surrey Landle Works Retired General Labourer

?????????

First name(s) CHARLES R
Last name SOUTER
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1916
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ CHARLES R SOUTER married
CLARA HAILL
Spouse's last name HAILL
District SOUTHWARK
District number -
County London
Country England
Volume 1D
Page 31

EDITED

NO...............but at least I've eliminated the record for you


Name: Clara Haill ...
Spouse: Charles Robert Souter ...
Father: Robert Haill ...
Spouse's Father: James Souter ...
Birth: abt 1893

Sheila

Do you know about freebmd?

It's very easy to use

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Thank you very much love you have been a great help Nite Nite xox

and I can't find anything else ........ but I'm also seeing double, it's close to my bedtime :-)

I wonder why I had such problems finding them a couple of hours ago ??????

Charles R is not with his parents in 1881



1881 Census


Report issue

Name: Charles F. Souter
Age: 41
Estimated birth year: abt 1840
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Mary A. Souter
Gender: Male
Where born: Lambeth, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Battersea
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 134 Spoke Rd
Marital Status: Married

Occupation: Labourer At Price C F (Candle)
Registration district: Wandsworth
Sub registration district: Battersea
ED, institution, or vessel: 26a

Piece: 643
Folio: 118
Page Number: 37

Charles F. Souter 41
Mary A. Souter 37
Frederick F. Souter 9
Mary A.E. Souter 7
Alice S. Souter 5
Emily E. Souter 4
Henry W. Souter 2
Henry Beale 38
Phillip Beale 31

success ............. I think!!!



1871 Census

Name: Charles F Souter
Age: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1840
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Ann Souter
Gender: Male
Where born: Kennington, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Wandsworth All Saints
Ecclesiastical parish: St Anne
Town: Wandsworth
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Wandsworth
Sub-registration district: Wandsworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Household schedule number: 109
Piece: 714
Folio: 13
Page Number: 20

Charles F Souter 31 Labourer at Candle Works
Mary Ann Souter 28 Dressmaker
>>>>>>>> Charlotte R Souter 6 b.ca 1865, Wandworth, Surrey, Son
Fanny A Souter 4



It is Charles on the image ............ originally written as Charlotte, then "otte" crossed out and "es" written above.


I've sent in a change