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Thank you very much Karin and Chocky. I'm really excited to see your results and will try and research more over the weekend.
My mother never knew where Florence came from but still insists that the story is true. I need to find out now perhaps how William Preece died, to see if there had been an accident of some sort.
I'm also interested in the divorce case as this is obviously local to Southport. It appears, if this is correct, that possibly Florence lied on her marriage certificate to John Orritt by saying she was a spinster and that her father was William Goddard, maybe because she didn't want to say that she'd previously been married.!
I will post on here once I found out more.
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There were 2 births to that marriage.
Geoffrey Goddard nee Preece in Huddersfield 1925.
Ronald Preece Goddard 1922 Huddersfield he died 1946 probate to Ellen kate Goddard wife of William Goddard.
Ellen Kate Goddard died 1962 a widow probate to Geoffrey Goddard and another son born to Ellen kate and William who may still be alive.
1932 Ellen Kate Seekings age 31 dad Charles
married William Goddard 37 Elementary teacher dad Tom a Farmer now dead.
William Goddard formerly the husband of Florence Rosaline Goddard formerly Preece from who he obtained a Divorce!!
William Goddard born in Huddersfield died 1960 Huddersfield.
Witness to Ellen Kate Seekings and Williams marriage was Elsie Goddard his sister
Elsie Goddard 1890-1957 died a spinster probate to William Goddard head teacher.
Twin sister?? Gertrude Grace Preece married in Eastbourne 1919 to Donald John Bartlett.
1920 they went to Canada.
1931 Quebec-London
Gertrude Bartlett 37
Geoffrey 3 born Canada.
1931 Southampton-Quebec
Gertrude
John her son.
Gertrude Grace Bartlett 1895-1958 Vancouver
Donald John Bartlett 1896-1989
John Geoffrey PREECE Bartlett @1928-1985 West Vancouver.
I was hoping to find the exact date of birth for Gertrude Grace but haven't as yet.
They were baptised 1/7/1894 so could they have been born 12th May 1894 same date as your Florence's birth on death record??
Maryb.
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Susan
did you not notice the fact that I found records that could DISCOUNT that marriage to a William Goddard.
I re- my two posts for you ...........................
SylviaInCanada Report Edit Delete 5 Feb 2015 06:33
according to this record on ancestry ............ Florence ADA Evans married William Goddard ...............
Lancashire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1936
Name: Florence Ada Evans
Gender: Female
Age: 29
Birth Year: abt 1889
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 4 Sep 1918
Parish: Birkdale, St Peter, Lancashire, England
Spouse: William Leslie Goddard
Spouse Age: 27
Father: Henry James Evans
Spouse Father: William Shallcross Goddard
Register Type: Parish Register
SylviaInCanada Report Edit Delete 5 Feb 2015 06:53
This really does not seem to be your Florence (with a change of name) ..........
............ among other things, she was 29 on the 1918 marriage, and 34 on the 1934 marriage
Those two records show that it was Florence ADA Evans aged 29 in 1918
while the Florence Rosalind who married in 1934 said she was 34 ..........................
Florence ADA would have 45 in 1934
people do lie about their ages on marriage ...................... but a loss of 11 years is a little extreme
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Name: Florence Rosaline Preece
Baptism Date: 1 Jul 1894
Baptism Place: Harborne, St Peter, England
Father: William Preece
Mother: Francie Annie Preece
Reference Number: DRO 61
Archive Roll: 551
Name: Gertrude Grace Preece
Baptism Date: 1 Jul 1894
Baptism Place: Harborne, St Peter, England
Father: William Preece
Mother: Francie Annie Preece
Reference Number: DRO 61
Archive Roll: 551
William is down as a Mill Manager of 5 Station Rd Harbourne.
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Thank you Mary for lots of interesting information which I'm going to have to research
It does seem SylviaInCanada that this could be our Florence due to the area that she is living in but obviously the age is well out and her middle name is Ada (although people do change names)
My mum says that Florence insisted that she was a twin so there are so many more connections with Florence Rosaline Preece.
My grandma suffered badly from epilepsy which was thought to have been brought on by her parents deaths. She wasn't always mentally alert so could easily have forgotten her birth year. I noticed that on the 1911 census for Rosaline Preece that her twin sister Gertrude Grace (16) is working as a typist and that her older sister, Elsie May Preece (18) is also a typist but Florence doesn't appear to have a job, which may fit in with her illness!!
I wonder why William Goddard divorces her in 1930, could this also be due to her illness?
I also wondered where her two children from that marriage lived after the divorce because if this is the right connection our family have no knowledge of any past husband or other children. Possibly the children lived with their father, William Goddard, especially if Florence was too ill to cope with them. My father had to leave school to look after his mum as he would often find her on the floor when his dad wasn't around and I remember how bad she was when she was having an epileptic fit!!
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Sarah ....................
I know there is strong evidence for what others are telling you ....................
but please bear the following in mind ...............
I did find that marriage
I have traced Florence Ada Evans back in the censuses from 1911 to 1891
a tree on ancestry has the following ......................
Florence Ada Evans
Birth 5 Dec 1887 in Prescot, Lancashire
Death 30 Aug 1974 in Knowsley, Merseyside, England
Death
1974 30 Aug — Age: 86
Knowsley, Merseyside, England
Age at Death: 86
Family Members
Parents
Henry J Evans
1862 – 1940
Sarah Jane Hollenshead
1873 – 1967
Siblings
Fred Evans
1885 –
Rhoda Evans
1894 – 1894
I'm not sure I trust some of the information on this tree ..................... but the names of the parents, their ages and the names and ages of the children fit with the censuses that I have found
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1871
Name: William Preece
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1854
Relation: Son
Father's name: Thomas Preece
Mother's name: Sarah Preece
Gender: Male
Where born: Northfield, Worcestershire, England
Civil Parish: Northfield
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England
Registration district: Kings Norton
Sub-registration district: Edgbaston
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 205
Piece: 3084
Folio: 112
Page Number: 35
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Preece 60 publican born Shropshire
Sarah Preece 56
Thomas Preece 21
William Preece 17
Sarah J Preece 11
Address Chapel Lane
Address 5 Station Rd. William unmarried living with his mother Sarah and a Mill Manager.
Name: William Preece
Age: 37
Estimated birth year: abt 1854
Relation: Son
Mother's name: Sarah Preece
Gender: Male
Where born: Selly Oak, Worcestershire, England
Civil Parish: Harborne
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation: Mill Manager
Condition as to marriage: Single
Registration district: Kings Norton
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2361
Folio: 93
Page Number: 21
Household Members:
Name Age
Sarah Preece 67
William Preece 37
Elizabeth T Preece 13 Grandau
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