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18 Jan 2015 01:47 |
Mary Ellen was my Great Grandmother. She was baptised 1860 - Parents Anthony and Jane. Her Brother James was baptised 1863 - Parents Thomas and Jane.(he was down as lodger on 1881 Census. Mary Ellen married at Preston Registry Office 1878. I am trying to determine the parents of Mary Ellen. I think also that James may have married Sarah Cragg 1n 1901.
Any help would be appreciated. Thanks -Val :-) :-) :-) :-)
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18 Jan 2015 09:23 |
Failing all else, a copy of her birth certificate should confirm her mother's maiden name.
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 Name: Mary Ellen Pickup Registration Year: 1859 Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep Registration district: Preston Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District Inferred County: Lancashire Volume: 8e Page: 453
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18 Jan 2015 10:01 |
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1859 Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
PICKUP Mary Ellen Preston Preston PICKUP PRES/111/70
You will only be able to follow the maternal line, it seems
The baptisms, for our info
Baptism: 29 Apr 1860 St John, Preston, Lancashire, England Mary Ellen Pickup - [Child] of Anthony Pickup & Jane Abode: Lancaster Road Occupation: Labourer Baptised by: D F Chapman Register: Baptisms 1858 - 1860, Page 363, Entry 2902 Source: LDS Film 93989
Baptism: 8 Feb 1863 St John, Preston, Lancashire, England James Pickup - [Child] of Thomas Pickup & Jane Abode: Walker St Occupation: Laborer Notes: [Out of Sequence] Baptised by: Thos Johnson Register: Baptisms 1863 - 1865, Page 23, Entry 184 Source: LDS Film 93990
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Jacqueline
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18 Jan 2015 10:02 |
Val
Can you say why you think James was Mary Ellen's brother?
Are they shown together as siblings on any census returns?
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Jacqueline
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18 Jan 2015 10:08 |
1881 census shows her birth to have been somewhat earlier than you suggest
Mary E Parkinson England and Wales Census, 1881 Name: Mary E Parkinson Age (Original): 23 Gender: Female Birth Year: 1858 Birthplace: Preston, Lancashire, England Relationship to Head of Household: Wife Marital Status: Married Occupation: Cotton Rover Address: 10 Dewhurst St North Event Place: Preston, Lancashire, England Record Type: Household Affiliate Publication Number: RG11 Piece/Folio: 4235 / 78 Page Number: 43 Household Role Gender Age Birthplace George Parkinson Head M 26 Preston, Lancashire, England Mary E Parkinson Wife F 23 Preston, Lancashire, England John T Parkinson Son M 0 Preston, Lancashire, England James Pickup Lodger M 18 Preston, Lancashire, England
The marriage cert would seem to be essential, as her birth may not have been registered
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18 Jan 2015 10:17 |
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Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1862 Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
PICKUP James Preston Preston PICKUP PRES/135/4
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18 Jan 2015 11:38 |
James Pickup England Births and Christenings Name: James Pickup Gender: Male Christening Date: 08 Feb 1863 Christening Place: St. John, Preston, Lancashire, England Father's Name: Thomas Pickup Mother's Name: Jane Pickup
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18 Jan 2015 11:59 |
Name: Mary Ellen Pickup Gender: Female Christening Date: 29 Apr 1860 Christening Place: SAINT JOHN,PRESTON,LANCASHIRE,ENGLAND Father's Name: Anthony Pickup Mother's Name: Jane
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18 Jan 2015 12:45 |
could be that anthony and jane never married i cant see a marriage for them and jane married thomas then he brought mary ellen up as his own
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18 Jan 2015 12:53 |
hi yes i just deleted it
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18 Jan 2015 12:54 |
Jane is unmarried
NAME: Jane Pickup AGE: 22 ESTIMATED BIRTH YEAR: 1839 RELATION: Boarder GENDER: Female WHERE BORN: Preston, Lancashire, England CIVIL PARISH: Preston ECCLESIASTICAL PARISH: St Paul TOWN: Preston COUNTY/ISLAND: Lancashire COUNTRY: England STREET ADDRESS:
OCCUPATION:
CONDITION AS TO MARRIAGE:
View image REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Preston SUB-REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Preston ED, INSTITUTION, OR VESSEL: 58 NEIGHBORS: View others on page HOUSEHOLD SCHEDULE NUMBER: 127 PIECE: 3139 FOLIO: 14 PAGE NUMBER: 22 HOUSEHOLD MEMBERS: NAME AGE Thomas Cottam 60 Mary Cottam 66 Jane Pickup 22 Mary Ellen 2/12 Arthur Cowell 25
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18 Jan 2015 13:17 |
Jane then married
Marriage: 7 Oct 1867 St John, Preston, Lancashire, England Garnet Coward - (X), 28, Laborer, Bachelor, James' St Jane Pickup - (X), 28, Weaver, Spinster, James' St Groom's Father: John Coward, Laborer Bride's Father: late Robert Pickup, Laborer Witness: Robert Westby, (X); Mary Wiggins, (X) Married by Banns by: James Eckersley, Jun. Curate Register: Marriages 1867 - 1868, Page 73, Entry 146 Source: LDS Film 93998
NAME: Jane Coward AGE: 29 ESTIMATED BIRTH YEAR: abt 1842 RELATION: Wife SPOUSE'S NAME: Garnett Coward GENDER: Female WHERE BORN: Preston, Lancashire, England CIVIL PARISH: Preston ECCLESIASTICAL PARISH: All Saints TOWN: Preston COUNTY/ISLAND: Lancashire COUNTRY: England REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Preston SUB-REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Preston ED, INSTITUTION, OR VESSEL: 49 HOUSEHOLD SCHEDULE NUMBER: 181 PIECE: 4210 FOLIO: 50 PAGE NUMBER: 37 HOUSEHOLD MEMBERS: NAME AGE Garnett Coward 30 Jane Coward 29 Mary E Coward 12 James Coward 9 Alfred Coward 5 John Coward 3 Maria Coward 1
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18 Jan 2015 13:17 |
That looks very promising, Claire, but then Mary Ellen is only 2 months old when the census was taken 7 April making her born Feb. 1861 which doesn't match any of the previous records.
p.s. I'm going to delete my posts with the wrong family.
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18 Jan 2015 13:21 |
possible birth for Garnett
Baptism: 28 Jun 1833 St Michael, Cockerham, Lancashire, England Anthony Garnet Coward - [Child] of John Coward & Betty Abode: Holleth Occupation: Farmer Notes: Christened 10th Nov 1833 J. L. Russell Baptised by: Wm. Mason, Curate Register: Baptisms 1826 - 1893, Page 83, Entry 657 Source: LDS Film 1278859
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18 Jan 2015 13:21 |
hi if jane is born pickup then anthony was not the husband he must be a different name i cant find a birth for him under pickup
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18 Jan 2015 13:22 |
Margee I'm not sure if she's 2 months or 2 years; there a mark by her age which may just be a smudge
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18 Jan 2015 13:52 |
OK think I've got it
Anthony Garnett Coward appears to have married Margaret Rawlinson in 1851 but on the Lancs OPC site he's been transcribed as Ernest.
Anthony appears on the 1861 census with Jane Pickup but he's been transcribed as Cowell (see above)
He and Jane can't marry as the 1861 confirms that he's married to someone else (see original)
Mary Ellen was born in 1859 but a smudge on the 1861 has been misread as months plus her surname has been omitted
I don't think Margaret Coward nee Rawlinson has died by 1867 so Anthony declares he's single and this marriage could well be bigamous.
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18 Jan 2015 14:00 |
and this looks like it could be the legal Mrs Coward
NAME: Margaret Coward AGE: 50 ESTIMATED BIRTH YEAR: abt 1831 RELATIONSHIP TO HEAD: Wife (Head) (Head) GENDER: Female WHERE BORN: St Michaels, Lancashire, England CIVIL PARISH: Preston COUNTY/ISLAND: Lancashire COUNTRY: England STREET ADDRESS: 18c Mount Pleasant MARITAL STATUS: Married EDUCATION:
EMPLOYMENT STATUS:
View image OCCUPATION: Cotton Weaver REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Preston SUB REGISTRATION DISTRICT: St John ED, INSTITUTION, OR VESSEL: 18 NEIGHBORS: View others on page PIECE: 4240 FOLIO: 46 PAGE NUMBER: 17 HOUSEHOLD MEMBERS: NAME AGE Margaret Coward 50 John Wilson 67
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18 Jan 2015 21:03 |
Thanks everybody. Will have to sit down and digest it all. Too early in the morning .
Thanks again - Val
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22 Jan 2015 01:59 |
Working with the information and getting some success. I am undecided about 1861 Census where Jane, Mary Ellen and Arthur Cowell were boarders. Arthur is said to be a Blacksmith. I cannot find Anthony Coward on any other Census so ? Margaret Coward the named 1st Wife is named as wife on 1861 and 1881 Census. Did they get divorced? I cannot find Jane on an 1851 Census. Jane had another child Alfred Pickup in 1865, at the time of Baptism she was in the Workhouse. When I found Alfred"s Marriage details Andrew Coward was named as father. The Three Pickup children went under Coward on the 1871 Census but they seem to have reverted to Pickup when they got married. Jane and Anthony had 3 more children and Anthony died 1891, Jane in 1898. I can tie Mary Ellen in with this family as her sister Alice's children were listed on the 1901 Census as Nephew and Niece of George and Mary Ellen Parkinson (Pickup). Still lots to do, better write all this up neatly as it is so confusing.
Again Many Thanks
Val :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)
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