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28 Dec 2014 16:56 |
Hi,
I am just wondering how you search for people who have been put into Sanatorium/Asylums. The reason I ask is that I am trying to trace my great great grandmother, Caroline Whitehouse. Born 1854c coven Heath Wolverhampton, occupation was general servant. Married Henry Dabbs 1889 Cannock and had a daughter the next year, Ethel Ann Dabbs B1890. When Ethel was 10 there was no record of Caroline living with them. I did find a reference to her in Cannock Asylum but have no idea when she was put there or if she ever came out again.
After talking recently to a relative she did confirm that Caroline had indeed been put in some sort of Asylum soon after the birth of her daughter because of post Natal depression but did not know if she had ever come out again.
I would be so grateful if anyone could help as its such a sad yet fascinating part of my history, especially as all the females in my family have had traumatic births and Post natal depression.
Thanks in advance,
kind regards,
Sarah Adams nee Capewell
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Catherine
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28 Dec 2014 17:00 |
Is this the daughter and husband in 1901, just for ref ?:-
NAME: Ethel Ann Dabbs AGE: 10 ESTIMATED BIRTH YEAR: abt 1891 RELATION TO HEAD: Daughter GENDER: Female FATHER: Henry Dabbs BIRTH PLACE: Ford Houses, Staffordshire, England CIVIL PARISH: Longton ECCLESIASTICAL PARISH: Edensor St Paul TOWN: Longton COUNTY/ISLAND: Staffordshire COUNTRY: England STREET ADDRESS:
REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Stoke upon Trent SUB-REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Longton ED, INSTITUTION, OR VESSEL: 19 NEIGHBORS: View others on page PIECE: 2616 FOLIO: 112 PAGE NUMBER: 25 HOUSEHOLD SCHEDULE NUMBER: 129 HOUSEHOLD MEMBERS: NAME AGE Henry Dabbs 60 Ethel Ann Dabbs 10
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Catherine
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28 Dec 2014 17:01 |
1911?
NAME: Henry Dabbs AGE IN 1911: 71 ESTIMATED BIRTH YEAR: abt 1840 RELATION TO HEAD: Lodger GENDER: Male BIRTH PLACE: Stone, Staffordshire CIVIL PARISH: Longton COUNTY/ISLAND: Staffordshire COUNTRY: England STREET ADDRESS: No 8 Gold St, Longton, Stoke On Trent MARITAL STATUS: Married OCCUPATION: General Labourer REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Stoke upon Trent REGISTRATION DISTRICT NUMBER: 361 SUB-REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Longton ED, INSTITUTION, OR VESSEL: 4 HOUSEHOLD SCHEDULE NUMBER: 6 PIECE: 16591
..........states he is still married!
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Gritty
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28 Dec 2014 17:02 |
For ref:
1911: Aston Union Workhouse
Name: Caroline Dabbs Age in 1911: 57 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854 Relation to Head: Inmate Gender: Female Birth Place: Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England Civil Parish: Erdington County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Marital Status: Married Occupation: Formerly A General Servant Registration district: Aston Registration District Number: 385 Sub-registration district: Erdinton ED, institution, or vessel: 51-52, 55 Piece: 18370
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Gritty
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28 Dec 2014 17:03 |
1901: Aston Union Workhouse
Name: Caroline Dabbs Age: 47 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854 Relation to Head: Inmate Gender: Female Birth Place: Bushbury, Staffordshire, England Civil Parish: Erdington Ecclesiastical parish: St Barnabas County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Registration district: Aston Sub-registration district: Erdington ED, institution, or vessel: Aston Union Workhous
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Catherine
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28 Dec 2014 17:04 |
NAME: Caroline Dubber [Caroline Dabbs] AGE: 37 ESTIMATED BIRTH YEAR: abt 1854 RELATION: Wife SPOUSE'S NAME: Henry Dubber GENDER: Female WHERE BORN: Coven Heath, Staffordshire, England CIVIL PARISH: Aston ECCLESIASTICAL PARISH: All Saints TOWN: Bordesley COUNTY/ISLAND: Warwickshire COUNTRY: England STREET ADDRESS:
OCCUPATION: REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Aston SUB REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Deritend ED, INSTITUTION, OR VESSEL: 57 NEIGHBORS: View others on page PIECE: 2411 FOLIO: 11 PAGE NUMBER: 18 HOUSEHOLD MEMBERS: NAME AGE Henry Dubber 50 Caroline Dubber 37 Ethel Dubber 10
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Catherine
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28 Dec 2014 17:11 |
1911 census states that Caroline has been married for 20yrs - 2 children, both living. Also states that she is a Lunatic (4) not known (I presume that means that they did not know for how long she has been a lunatic) Don't know what the number 4 means but could be the severity of her Lunacy. There are others with other numbers noted - 4, 6,7 and 8.
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ArgyllGran
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28 Dec 2014 17:12 |
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England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about Caroline Dabbs Name: Caroline Dabbs Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853 Registration Year: 1915 Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun Age at Death: 62 Registration district: Aston Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District Inferred County: Warwickshire Volume: 6d Page: 638
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Catherine
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28 Dec 2014 17:19 |
This link will give you a bit of information on the workhouse:-
http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Aston/
On other web sites where people have been trying to find out about admissions to Birmingham Workhouses it has been suggested that they contact Birmingham Library as it would seem that, that is where the archives are kept.
Good luck, hope you find what you are looking for.
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28 Dec 2014 17:21 |
This site may be of interest to you
http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Aston
At the end of the page it says that the records are held at Birmingham Archives and Heritage Centre http://www.birmingham.gov.uk/archivesandheritage
Either visit or contact them to search their discharge records. They will make a charge if you can't go in person. They may still hold her file which could make poignant reading.
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28 Dec 2014 17:24 |
The following thread discusses where people who died in the WH/Asylum might be buried http://birminghamhistory.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=35299
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Jacqueline
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28 Dec 2014 21:50 |
Connected thread
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/living_relatives/thread/1347910
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Cynthia
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29 Dec 2014 11:59 |
Hello Sarah and welcome to the Community boards.
(I'll let Sarah know how to find her replies) :-)
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30 Dec 2014 10:31 |
Hi,
Yes you have the right Caroline Dabbs nee Whitehouse if she married Henry dabs and had a daughter Ethel Ann Dabbs. Although I did notice that one record showed another child? I have no record of another child she may have had and I have never heard the family mention it. Isuppose its not beyond the realms of possibility Does anyone have an admissions date for her? I suppose the only thing I can do is to go and visit the Birmingham Archives myself.
So where do I go from here?
Thank you so much for all your help,
Kind regards
Sarah Adams nee Capewell
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30 Dec 2014 10:45 |
Admission dates aren't on line - you'll have to contact the relevant archive for the Asylum/WH records.
Sometimes research had to be done the old fashioned way, by pouring over dusty ledgers! :-D
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30 Dec 2014 10:50 |
Well that actually sounds like fun!!!! So Birmingham Archives it is then!!
Would I be able to find out where she died online or would that be the Archives too??
Kind regards
Sarah
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ArgyllGran
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30 Dec 2014 11:05 |
Have you discounted the death record I posted earlier? (See post dated 28 Dec @ 17:12)
If you mean the exact address, you'd have to buy a copy of the death cert from GRO, quoting the Volume and Page numbers given in my post. http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/
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30 Dec 2014 11:39 |
No Argyllgran, I am so sorry I completely missed that post for some reason!!! Thank you! Caroline on one of the posts it mentioned Caroline on the 1911 census as having 2 children, where did you find this record and do you have the names of both children?
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30 Dec 2014 19:48 |
or you can payb the archive office to do some of the initial work for you ; it saves a lot of time + cost if you don't need the original documents each time . they charge per hour but do the work much quicker than amatuers
but doing it yourself is fun = you may see a family connection on an eadjoining page that a professional researcher may miss .
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30 Dec 2014 19:50 |
or you can pay the relevant archive office to do some of the initial work for you ; it saves a lot of time + cost if you don't need the original documents each time . they charge per hour but do the work much quicker than amatuers
but doing it yourself is fun
you may see a family connection on an eadjoining page that a professional researcher could miss . happy hunting : let us know how you get on
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