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England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

Name:Anne Dassett

Gender:Female

Baptism Date:27 Sep 1840

Baptism Place:Banbury,Oxford,England

Father:
Edward Dassett

Mother:
Charlotte

FHL Film Number:95208, 95209, 95210

Oh, well done, Gins - that could welll be her!
Thank you!

Edward as a variation of Edmund.

Or there's this one I've just found:
Births Mar 1840 (>99%)
Dassett Ann Birmingham 16 295

Is that the same one? born Birmingham, baptised Oxfordshire? Age a couple of years out from the census and death.

(I'm definitely away now - back later.)

Name: Thomas Herbert
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 29 Mar 1842
Christening Place: BANBURY,OXFORD,ENGLAND
Father's Name: John Herbert
Mother's Name: Sophia
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C02639-3 , System Origin: England-ODM , GS Film number: 95208, 95209, 95210

Name: Thomas Herbert
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1871
Gender: Male
Age: 29
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Birthplace: Banbury, Oxfordshire
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Oxford
Sub-District: Oxford
Parish: St Thomas
County: Oxfordshire
Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
Thomas Herbert Head M 29 Banbury, Oxfordshire
Elizabeth Herbert Wife F 27 Hardington, Berkshire
Ada Maria Herbert Daughter F 7 Banbury, Oxfordshire
Tom Henry Gladstone Herbert Son M 4 Banbury, Oxfordshire
John Ernest Jas Herbert Son M 0 Oxford, Oxfordshire

Name: Thomas Herbert
Age (Original): 39
Gender: Male
Birth Year: 1842
Birthplace: Banbury, Oxfordshire, England
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Railway Engine Driver
Address: 60 Catherine St
Event Place: Doncaster, Yorkshire (West Riding), England
Record Type: Household
Affiliate Publication Number: RG11
Piece/Folio: 4691 / 108
Page Number: 10
Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
Thomas Herbert Head M 39 Banbury, Oxfordshire, England
Anne Herbert Wife F 40 Birmingham ?, Warwickshire, England
Tom H G Herbert Son M 14 Banbury, Oxfordshire, England
John E J Herbert Son M 10 St Thomass, Oxfordshire, England
Edward B K Herbert Son M 6 Battersea, Surrey, England
GS Film number: 1342135

Name: Thomas Herbert
Event Type: Marriage
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration Year: 1877
Registration District: Aston
County: Warwickshire
Event Place: Aston, Warwickshire, England
Volume: 6D
Page: 426A
Line Number: 89

Thomas Herbert probably married one of the following people
Name: Ann Loosemore

I have all that, Ann - see OP - but many thanks for your interest and research effort.

In the absence of any more replies, it looks as if I'll have to leave Elizabeth (and maybe Ann) as a loose end - not directly in my tree, anyway. I do tend to wander along very distant twigs!

Hi A

Have you checked out this one?



England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973

Name:Thomas Herbert

Gender:Male

Marriage Date:20 Aug 1865

Marriage Place:
Saint Jude,Birmingham,Warwick,England

Spouse:
Elizabeth Burton

FHL Film Number:918918



Unfortunately it's just a transcription and no record to look at. Who was Tho* father

No, I hadn't looked at that one, Gins - I was concentrating on Oxfordshire and Berkshire for Elizabeth.
The eldest child, Ada Maria was born 1863.

Births Jun 1863 (>99%)
HERBERT Ada Maria Banbury 3a 662

Doesn't mean she couldn't have been born before they married, of course - or maybe Thomas managed to have yet another wife before Elizabeth! Or just another partner.
However, on the whole, I feel that Elizabeth Burton probably isn't the one.

Thomas is unmarried in 1861:
Name: Thomas Herbert
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: 1841
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Nerthop, Oxfordshire, England
Civil Parish: Oxford St Thomas
County/Island: Oxfordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Oxford
Sub-registration district: Oxford
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 89
Piece: 895
Folio: 102
Page Number: 15
Household Members:
Name Age
Harriet White 58
William White 16
Henry Barden 26
Thomas Herbert 20 - Railway Engine cleaner
George Cox 66


The Headington marriage of 1862 still looks the most likely to me, both geographically and timewise. Just wish I could prove it without having to buy the cert for such a distant twig on the tree (via a couple of marriages).

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1851 England Census about Elizabeth Lay
Name: Elizabeth Lay
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas Lay
Mother's name: Eliza Lay
Gender: Female
Where born: Ardington, Berkshire, England
Civil Parish: Oxford St Thomas
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Oxfordshire
Country: England
:
Registration district: Oxford
Sub-registration district: Oxford
ED, institution, or vessel: 9e
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 58
Piece: 1728
Folio: 454
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Lay 44
Eliza Lay 14
James Lay 15
Elizabeth Lay 10
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1728; Folio: 454; Page: 13;

Marriages Sep 1862

Herbert Thomas Headington 3a 757
Lay Elizabeth Headington 3a 757

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1871 England Census

Name:Elizabeth Herbert

Age:27

Estimated Birth Year:abt 1844

Relation:Wife

Spouse's Name:Thomas Herbert

Gender:Female

Where born:Hardington, Berkshire, England

Civil Parish:St Thomas

Ecclesiastical parish:St Barnabas

County/Island:Oxfordshire

Registration district:Oxford

Sub-registration district:Oxford

ED, institution, or vessel:20
Household schedule number:29
Piece:1441
Folio:87
Page Number:6
Household Members:


Thomas Herbert 29 <<<Railway engine driver - Banbury
Elizabeth Herbert 27
Ada Maria Herbert 7
Tom Henry Gladstone Herbert 4
John Ernest Jas Herbert

Daughter Ada appears to marry Edward Britton in 1885 and then marries Stephen Spicer in 1898


Ontario, Canada, Deaths, 1869-1938 and Deaths Overseas, 1939-1947


Name:Ada Marie Spicer[Ada Marie Herbert]

Gender:Female

Birth Year:abt 1864

Birth Place:England

Age at Death:73

Death Date:18 Mar 1937

Death Place:Carleton, Ontario, Canada

Father:
Thomas Herbert

Mother:
Elizabeth Lay

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Ottawa, Canada, Beechwood Cemetery Registers, 1873-1990

Name:Ada Marie Spicer

Birth Date:abt 1864

Birth Location:England

Gender:Female

Death Date:18 Mar 1937

Age:73

Parent(s):Thomas and Elizabeth Herbert

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Ottawa, Canada, Beechwood Cemetery Registers, 1873-1990

Name:Stephen Walter Spicer

Birth Date:abt 1857

Birth Location:England

Gender:Male

Death Date:12 Apr 1929

Age:72

Parent(s):Spicer

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Ada's son



Canada, Soldiers of the First World War, 1914-1918

Name:Herbert Thos Britten

Residence:Ottawa, Ontario

Birth Date:29 Aug 1886

Birth Location:Blatchley, England

Relative:Mrs A M Spicer

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British Columbia, Canada, Death Index, 1872-1990

Name:Herbert Thomas Britten

Gender:Male

Birth Year:abt 1887

Death Age:66

Death Date:20 May 1953

Death Location:Vancouver

Registration Number:1953-09-005474

BCA Number:B13215

GSU Number:2032864



I can't remember if you have access to overseas records? If not I can email you them if you PM your email address

Looks like Ann* was married before she married Thomas Herbert



London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name:George Loosemore <<Wheelwright

Spouse:Annie Dassett

Record Type:Marriage

Event Date:3 Oct 1866

Parish:Parish Chapel, St Pancras

Borough:Camden

Father Name:
Robert Loosemore <<Gardener

Spouse Father:
Edmund Dassett <<<Dead

Register Type:Parish Register

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Birmingham, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1937


Name:
Ann Loosemore<<<<<<<<Widow
[Ann Dassett]

Gender:Female

Birth Year:abt 1842

Marriage Date:18 Jun 1877

Marriage Age:35

Marriage Place:
Bordesley, Holy Trinity, Warwickshire, England

Spouse:Thomas Herbert <<Engine Driver

Spouse Gender:Male

Spouse Marriage Age:35

Father:
Edmund Dassett <<Chandler

Spouse's Father:
John Herbert <<<Undertaker

Reference Number:DRO 15

Archive Roll:592/593

Warwickshire, England, Baptisms, 1813-1910


Name:Elizabeth Ann Dassett

Parish:Warwick, St Nicholas

Baptism Date:26 Jul 1838

Father's Name:
Edmund Dassett

Mother's name:Charlotte Dassett



Wonder if this is her and she dropped the first name

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NAME: Edmund Dassitt
AGE: 35
BIRTH YEAR: abt 1813
RECEIVED DATE: 30 May 1848
PLACE OF ORIGIN: Burford, Oxen
RECORD TYPE: Prisoner Register
YEAR RANGE: 1847-1850
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This one was a cabinet maker so unlikely to be your man

1851 England Census

Name:Edmund Dossett <<Chandler

Age:53

Estimated Birth Year:abt 1798

Relation:Son-in-law

Spouse's Name:Charlotte Dossett

Gender:Male

Where born:Little Compton, Gloucestershire, England

Civil Parish:Neithrop

Ecclesiastical parish:North Banbury

County/Island:Oxfordshire

Registration district:Banbury

Sub-registration district:Cropredy

ED, institution, or vessel:10c

Household schedule number:39
Piece:1734
Folio:500
Page Number:10

Household Members:

Hanna Walker 80
Ann Walker 45
Charlotte Dossett 47
Edmund Dossett 53
Ann Dossett 11
Elizabeth Dossett 8

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England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973

Name:Charlotte Walker

Gender:Female

Marriage Date:23 Feb 1832

Marriage Place:Banbury,Oxford,England

Spouse:
Edmund Dassett

FHL Film Number:0990430 IT 2, 1696464 IT 4-5

Gosh, what a lot you have found since I last logged on!
I'm so very grateful, Gins and Maureen.

Re Elizabeth:
Maureen - yes, Ardington will have been written as Hardington in the 1871 census. Perhaps the enumerator thought the informant was dropping their h's, and thought they would "correct" it!
The 1851 you posted clinches it - born Ardington, living Oxfordshire.
Having looked it up, I see that Ardington is very close to Wantage, so this is probably Elizabeth's birth:

Births Sep 1841 (>99%)
Lay Elizabeth Wantage 6 247


Yes, Gins, I do have access to overseas records.
When researching for other people, emigration is something I always look at, but somehow it hadn't crossed my mind for this bunch!
I knew about Ada marrying Edward Britton/Britten, but hadn't progressed as far as her emigration or second marriage - so thank you!
Good to have the confirmation (on Ada's death record) that her mother was Elizabeth Lay.


Re Ann/Anne/Annie:
I did wonder about the 1838 birth of Elizabeth Ann Dasset, Gins.
However, all the later records suggest her birth was 1840/1 - 1851 & 1861 censuses, and her death record.
Also, both the censuses say she was born in Birmingham, in which case the birth I posted earlier looks like being the correct one - I'll post it again here:

Births Mar 1840 (>99%)
Dassett Ann Birmingham 16 295

The 1851 census you posted will definitely be her.

I knew she was previously married to George Loosemore (see OP), but didn't have her father's occupation, as I'd only looked for the marriage on FreeBMD, and not Ancestry.
So Edmund was alive in 1851, but dead by 1866, so this will be his death:

Deaths Jun 1858 (>99%)
Dasset Edmund Banbury 3a 421

Loose ends tied! I'm very grateful to you both, and also AnnCardiff.

I'm thinking Ann was born in Birmingham but baptised in Banbury (posted below your opening post)

I can't see the Das* family on the 1841? Found Hannah Wright in 1841 but she is not with her daughter Charlotte

Got them!



Name:Ann Dossett

Age:1

Estimated Birth Year:abt 1840

Gender:Female

Civil Parish:Holy Cross

Hundred:Pershore (Upper Division)

County/Island:Worcestershire


Registration district:Pershore

Sub-registration district:Pershore

Piece:1206
Book:15
Folio:9
Page Number:9

Household Members:


Ann Dossett 1

Also Edmond 40yrs (Chandler) and Charlotte 35yrs