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Harold Alfred Belcher b 1902 died ????

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Robert

Robert Report 17 Dec 2014 19:23

Hi I am trying to find details of my grandad Harold Alfred Belcher born Southwark, London 21/10/02.
The main thing I can not find is details of his death. Basically around 1950 my nan threw him out for several affairs and that was the last our family saw of him. Prewar he was a signwriter and painter and decorator. The family were bombed out of London and moved to Reading so he may have returned to his old stomping ground in Camberwell, London. Indeed somebody of his name married in Camberwell in 1959 but that may be unrelated.
This info is particularly for my Aunt, who in now in here nineties and would like get 'closure' on this.

many thanks

Rob

+++DetEcTive+++

+++DetEcTive+++ Report 17 Dec 2014 19:49

Unless someone comes up with a better suggestion, it might be worth purchasing the 1959 MC. If nothing else, it might lead you to rule it out.

The groom may have been a Harold Albert Belcher born 1907 rather than your Harold Alfred

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 17 Dec 2014 20:19

welcome to the boards Rob - what was his wife's name?

Robert

Robert Report 17 Dec 2014 20:30

Thanks for the info guys. Wifes name Beatrice Alice Ost, no evidence of divorce so the other marriage is probably somebody else..
rob

safc

safc Report 17 Dec 2014 20:36

????


England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription
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First name(s) HAROLD
Last name BELCHER
Gender Male
Birth day 30
Birth month 10
Birth year 1902
Age -
Death quarter 1
Death year 1979
District RIBBLE VALLEY
County Lancashire
Volume 40
Page 2808
Country England
Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Record collection Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 17 Dec 2014 20:37

This is one just to consider:-

First name(s) HAROLD
Last name BELCHER
Gender Male
Birth day 30
Birth month 10
Birth year 1902
Age -
Death quarter 1
Death year 1979
District RIBBLE VALLEY
County Lancashire
Volume 40
Page 2808

Middle name isn't mentioned and the date of birth is 9 days out but a possible.

Kath. x

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 17 Dec 2014 20:45

???????????

Name: Alice Aust
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1911
Gender: Female
Age: 9
Birthplace: London Clapham, London
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Wandsworth
Sub-District: Streatham
Parish: Wandsworth Borough
County: London

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 17 Dec 2014 20:55

Isn't this more likely to be Beatrice in 1911? :-

Arthur Ost Head Married Male 31 1880 Cambridgeshire Builders Labourer
Maud Ost Wife Married Female 28 1883 London Southwark -
Francis Ost Daughter - Female 8 1903 London Battersea School
Beatrice Ost Daughter - Female 6 1905 London Battersea School<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Daisy Ost Daughter - Female 4 1907 London Southwark School
Ada Ost Daughter - Female 2 1909 London Southwark School
Alice Ost Daughter - Female 1 1910 London Southwark School

Address: 11 Block 2 Artizaus Dwellings Boyfield St S E, Southwark St George the Martyr, London

Kath. x

+++DetEcTive+++

+++DetEcTive+++ Report 17 Dec 2014 22:33

Less than 0.2% of divorce case files have survived post 1937. Just because it hasn't been mentioned, it doesn't mean that it never happened.

On the other hand, cases of bigamy are more common than you may wish to think. ;-)

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 17 Dec 2014 22:56

Harold Alfred Belcher
BIRTH DATE: 21 Oct 1896
DATE OF REGISTRATION: Dec 1975
AGE AT DEATH: 79
REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Hastings
INFERRED COUNTY: East Sussex
VOLUME: 18
PAGE: 1029


Does anyone see a birth to match the above please?

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 17 Dec 2014 23:52

The birth to match the above post by rootgatherer apart from the year:-

First name(s) HAROLD ALFRED
Last name BELCHER
Birth year 1902
Birth quarter 4
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District SOUTHWARK
County London
Country England
Volume 1D
Page 86

Perhaps he said he was younger than he was when he married as his wife was younger than him and he just stuck to his story through his life.

Both of my grandparents did this because there was a big age difference between them.

Kath. x

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 18 Dec 2014 09:37

Do you know his father's name from their marriage cert ? This may help to establish him on the 1911 census to verify his approx birth year

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 18 Dec 2014 09:42

???

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
193 Lordship Lane East Dulwich London S E, Camberwell, London, England


Henry Belcher Head Married Male 40 1871 Dulwich Surrey General Labourer (Royal Navy pensioner)

Edith Belcher Wife Married Female 42 1869 Dulwich Surrey

Harry Belcher Son - Male 5 1906 Dulwich Surrey -

Ethel Belcher Daughter - Female 11 1900 Dulwich Surrey School


Edit not the right one as this is them
Marriages Dec 1898
Belcher Henry Thomas Camberwell 1d 1625
SPELLER Edith Eleanor Camberwell

Dec qtr 1905
Belcher Henry Speller Camberwell 1d 795

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 18 Dec 2014 10:01

???
1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
84 a Trafalgar Street Walworth Road S E, St Mary Newington, London, England


Jane Watkins Head Widow Female 42 1869 Stratford on Avon Muiller Machinists

Harry Belcher Son Single Male 20 1891 Walworth Inviladed Sailors

Richard Belcher Son Single Male 16 1895 Reemnington Van Guard

Mildred Belcher Daughter - Female 11 1900 Walworth -

Harold Belcher Son - Male 8 1903 Walworth -

Ivy Watkins Daughter - Female 4 1907 Walworth -

Arthur Luck Boarder- - Male 17 1894 Norwich In Iron Foundry

Not seeing a marrige for Jane Belcher to Watkins but this looks like Ivy ,s birth
Births Sep 1906
Watkins Ivy Violet Southwark 1d 96

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 18 Dec 2014 10:05

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Salisbury Buildings, 54, Newington, St Saviour Southwark, London, England

Thomas W Belcher Head Married Male 35 1866 House Painter Walworth, Surrey, England

Jane Belcher Wife Married Female 31 1870 - Stratford on Avon, Warwickshire, England

Harry Belcher Son Single Male 10 1891 - Walworth, Surrey, England

Ethel Belcher Daughter Single Female 8 1893 - Walworth, Surrey, England

Richard Belcher Son Single Male 6 1895 - Kennington, Surrey, England

Mildred Belcher Daughter Single Female 1 1900 - Walworth, Surrey, England


Edit
Deaths Mar 1904
Belcher Thomas William 40 Southwark 1d 44

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 18 Dec 2014 10:12

Marriages Sep 1889
Belcher Thomas William St. Saviour 1d 361
Hopkins Jane St. Saviour 1d 361

Gee

Gee Report 18 Dec 2014 10:20

This looks like his baptism


Name:Harold Belcher

Record Type:Baptism

Baptism Date:13 Mar 1903 <<<DOB 20th Oct 1902

Father's Name:
Thomas William Belcher

Mother's name:
Jane Belcher

Parish or Poor Law Union:Dulwich St Barnabas

Borough:Southwark

Register Type:Parish Registers

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 18 Dec 2014 10:33

Name: Doris Belcher
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 2 Nov 1901 born 17.10.1901
Father's Name: Thomas Belcher occ painter
Mother's name: Jane Belcher
Parish or Poor Law Union: Walworth St John the Evangelist
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Registers
Home address 54 Salisbury Buildings

Name: Mildred Grace Annie Belcher
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 19 Apr 1899
Father's Name: Thomas William Belcher occ painte
Mother's name: Jane Belcher
Parish or Poor Law Union: Walworth St Mark
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Registers
Home address 9 Locks Square

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 18 Dec 2014 10:38

Name: Ethel Matilda Belcher
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 6 Aug 1897 b 17.11.1891
Father's Name: Thomas William Belcher occ painter
Mother's name: Jane Belcher
Parish or Poor Law Union: Southwark St Agnes
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Registers
Home address 38 Aldred road

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 18 Dec 2014 11:27

First name(s) Harold Alfred
Last name Belcher
Age 20 4months
Birth year 1901
Birth place Newington
Service number 735064
Former service number -
Attestation year 1921
Record set Royal Artillery attestations 1883-1942
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Record collection Regimental & service records