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20 Dec 2014 11:41 |
John William Warwick 1870 Greenwich |London mum Emily Ann Warwick born @ 1848/50 Baptised 9/5/1870 as John William Taylor by John and Emily Taylor of 10,Green Street Greenwich
She married John Taylor 15/2/1875 John Taylor born 1828-1877
Emily Taylor married Elias Thomas Greenaway 26/5/1878 her dad was William Warwick a gardener 1881 John Warwick down as Greenaway.
Could Violet/Maria be daughter of Henrietta before she married 1896??
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Chris Ho :)
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18 Dec 2014 16:51 |
They never signed either, blank!.
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18 Dec 2014 16:44 |
These are the details of John's marriage to Henrietta
Name: John Warrack occ Labourer Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871 Age: 25 Abode: 9 Harts Lane Spouse: Henrietta Munns Spouse Age: 26 Abode: 5 Falcon Buildings Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 24 May 1896 Parish: St James the Great, Bethnal Green Borough: Tower Hamlets Register Type: Parish Register
Witnesses: Charles Green and E. Tattersall
As Eddie has said the boxes for Father's Name and Occupation for both of them are completely blank on the image.
Edit:
Looking at the image of Marriage Cert there are other areas on it that have been left blank too!
The top part which has the year and parish details
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More importantly there are no signatures or marks of the married couple at the bottom left hand side
How strange!
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Jacqueline
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18 Dec 2014 16:18 |
You say no parents were listed on the cert of Henrietta's marriage
What info does the cert hold?
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Jacqueline
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18 Dec 2014 16:13 |
For direct comparison with 1911
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 38, Watson Street, St Paul Deptford, Greenwich, London, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place John Warwick Head Married Male 30 1871 Railway Labourer Deptford, Kent, England Transcription Henrietta Warwick Wife Married Female 32 1869 - Sittingbourne, Kent, England Transcription Violett Munns Niece Single Female 7 1894 - Deptford, Kent, England Transcription
I can't see any scenario other than that Violet was the illegitimate child of one of Henrietta's sisters.
I'd put money on Maria
Having said that, there should still be a birth registration, and there doesn't appear to be.
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Jacqueline
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18 Dec 2014 16:08 |
For our INFO
1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 38 Watson St Deptford S E, St Paul Deptford, London, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Birth place Occupation John Taylor Head Married Male 41 1870 London Deptford Platelayer Transcription Henrietta Taylor Wife Married Female 42 1869 Kent Sissingburne - Transcription Maria Munns Adopted Daughter Single Female 17 1894 London Deptford - Transcription
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Eddie
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18 Dec 2014 15:44 |
in the 1901c violet munns is living with john/Henrietta warrack but if you look in the 1911c they've changed their names to taylor on john warracks marriage cert 1896 there are no parents listed
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Eddie
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16 Dec 2014 13:22 |
To Tenerife Sun that is them in the registers as at time of marriage she was living at 48 Hamilton street regards ed
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Eddie
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16 Dec 2014 13:20 |
To Chris Ho that is the address on William james marriage cert its hard to read but it is stowage Deptford regards ed
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16 Dec 2014 13:13 |
Births Sep 1889 (>99%) ------------------------------------------------ Kelleher Ellen Greenwich 1d 978
(above possible for Ellen, 1901 1911)
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1911 (Reference) (Find My Past) Charles Parker Head Married Male 44 1867 Reading Berks General Labourer Mary Ann Parker Wife Married Female 43 1868 Deptford Surry Ellen Kellcher Stepdaughter Single Female 21 1890 Depford Hat Manufacture (looks like Kelleher) Edward Kellcher Stepson Single Male 19 1892 Depford Carman William Kellcher Stepson Single Male 19 1892 Appleford Berks Labourer Fredrick Kellcher Stepson Single Male 18 1893 Peckham Surry Labourer Florence Mary Parker Daughter - Female 13 1898 Deptford School Harry Parker Son - Male 11 1900 Deptford School Charles William Parker Son - Male 7 1904 Deptford School George Stephen Parker Son - Male 5 1906 Deptford School Alfred Earnest Parker Son - Male 5 1906 Deptford School Albert Parker Son - Male 4 1907 Deptford - Sidney Parker Son - Male 1 1910 Deptford Address 2 Reginald R Deptford Parish St Paul Deptford County London Registration district Greenwich Census reference RG14PN2625 RG78PN89 RD28 SD2 ED2 SN119
(says Married 15yrs 8 children born 7 living 1 died)
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Marriages Dec 1896 (>99%) ------------------------------------------------------ Kelleher Mary Ann St. Saviour 1d 38 Kelleper Mary Ann St. Saviour 1d 38 Parker Charles St. Saviour 1d 38
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 (Ancestry)
Name: Charles Parker (Widower) Spouse: Mary Ann Keller (Widow) Record Type: Banns (Sept 27 Oct 4 Oct 11) Event Date: 11 Oct 1896 Parish: All Saints, Walworth Borough: Southwark Register Type: Parish Register (says married 18th Oct)
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Choccy
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16 Dec 2014 13:13 |
Marriages Jun 1896
MUNNS Henrietta Bethnal G. 1c 384 WARRACK John Bethnal G. 1c 384
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16 Dec 2014 13:00 |
1881 England Census
Name:Henrietta Munns
Age:14
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1867
Relationship to Head:Daughter
Father:William Munns
Mother:Elizabeth Munns
Gender:Female
Where born:Milton Rd Sittingbourne
Civil Parish:Deptford St Paul County/Island:London Country:England
Street address:16 Stanhope St
Registration district: Greenwich
Sub registration district: St Paul Deptford
William Munns 41
Elizabeth Munns 36
Henrietta Munns 14
Frances Munns 11
Elizabeth Munns 8
Maria Lagday Munns 6
Mary Ann Munns 1 Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 701; Folio: 106; Page: 31; GSU roll: 1341164.
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16 Dec 2014 12:57 |
1871 England Census
Name:Henrietta Munn
Age:4
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1867
Relation:Daughter
Father's Name:William Munn
Mother's name:Elizabeth Munn
Gender:Female
Where born:Sittingbourne, Kent, England
Civil Parish:Milton
Ecclesiastical parish:Christchurch
County/Island:Kent Country:England
Registration district:Gravesend
Sub-registration district:Gravesend
William Munn 30 Elizabeth Munn 26 Henrietta Munn 4 Francis Munn 1 Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 891; Folio: 54; Page: 48; GSU roll: 823483.
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16 Dec 2014 12:49 |
Baptism County Kent Place Deptford Church St Paul RegisterNumber 2175 DateOfBirth 15 Dec 1897 BaptismDate 19 Jan 1898 Forename Charles William Sex M FatherForename Charles MotherForename Mary Ann FatherSurname PARKER MotherSurname Abode Andom Terrace FatherOccupation Labourer
Baptism County Kent Place Deptford Church St Paul RegisterNumber 2176 DateOfBirth 15 Dec 1897 BaptismDate 19 Jan 1898 Forename Florence Mary Sex F FatherForename Charles MotherForename Mary Ann FatherSurname PARKER MotherSurname Abode Andom Terrace FatherOccupation Labourer
County Kent Place Deptford Church Saint Nicholas RegisterNumber 53 MarriageDate 25 Dec 1923 GroomForename Harry GroomSurname PARKER GroomAge 24 GroomParish Saint Nicholas GroomCondition Bachelor GroomOccupation Labourer GroomAbode The Stowage, deptford BrideForename Lydia May BrideSurname ROBERTS BrideAge 22 BrideParish Saint Nicholas BrideCondition Spinster BrideAbode The Stowage, deptford GroomFatherForename Charles GroomFatherSurname PARKER GroomFatherOccupation Labourer BrideFatherForename George BrideFatherSurname ROBERTS BrideFatherOccupation Labourer WitnessOneForename Timothy WitnessOneSurname KELLCHER WitnessTwoForename George WitnessTwoSurname ROBERTS
County Kent Place Deptford Church Saint Nicholas RegisterNumber 327 MarriageDate 20 Jul 1929 GroomForename George Stephen GroomSurname PARKER GroomAge 23 GroomParish Saint Nicholas GroomCondition Bachelor GroomOccupation Labourer GroomAbode The Stowage, deptford BrideForename Rosetta Jane BrideSurname BRADSHAW BrideAge 23 BrideParish Saint Nicholas BrideCondition Spinster BrideOccupation BrideAbode The Stowage, deptford GroomFatherForename Charles GroomFatherSurname PARKER GroomFatherOccupation Labourer BrideFatherForename Henry William BrideFatherSurname BRADSHAW BrideFatherOccupation Plasterer's Labourer WitnessOneForename James Charles WitnessOneSurname COWELL WitnessTwoForename Henry William WitnessTwoSurname BRADSHAW Notes Third and fourth Witnesses added in the next row.
(above names 1901, from below link)
http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl
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16 Dec 2014 12:35 |
1937 William James and Violet Maria Parker were living 44 Hamilton Street, St Paul's Ward Deptford. From electoral rolls
EDIT .... In 1927 they were also in Hamilton Street but she was listed as Maria Violet.
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Eddie
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16 Dec 2014 11:46 |
re 1901c violet is living with john/Henrietta warwick but if you look in the 1911c she appears to be living with the same family but their name is now taylor
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16 Dec 2014 10:42 |
Violet maybe??
1901 England Census about Violett Munns Name: Violett Munns Age: 7 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1894 Relation to Head: Niece Gender: Female Birth Place: Deptford, Kent, England Civil Parish: St Paul Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul County/Island: London Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View image Registration district: Greenwich Sub-registration district: Deptford Central ED, institution, or vessel: 04 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 527 Folio: 110 Page Number: 17 Household schedule number: 121 Household Members: Name Age John Warwick 30 Henriette Warwick 32 Violett Munns 7*****************Neice
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Jacqueline
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16 Dec 2014 10:33 |
?????????
Marriages Dec 1919 (>99%)
Edwards Benjamin W G Jarman Greenwich 1d 2170 Jarman Grace C Edwards Greenwich 1d 2170
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Eddie
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16 Dec 2014 10:30 |
witnesses grace Edward Benjamin edward
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Jacqueline
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16 Dec 2014 10:27 |
Who witnessed the marriage?
'deceased' father often meant 'unknown'
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