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Cherilyn
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7 Dec 2014 03:10 |
Thanks everyone. Age 32 at the time of the accident fits well with birth 1875.
Newspaper reports back then often got ages and even names incorrect!
I have enough to go on for this family now and don't really need to go any further back (Michael's wife's 2nd husband is the link). I had just been frustrated by the Currans for so long as they seemed quite elusive...until I got that lead with the sblings names and the Hamiton/Newscatle NSW connection...then it all fell in to place. Now with all your help I have a really good picture of his life. Mining, mining and more mining in this lot!
Thank you all very much once more.
PS I think it is highly likely that Patrick's father WAS James - he did name his eldest son James after all. Looks like a good match to me (and we all know how suspect info on Ancestry can be!) :-D
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Catherine
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6 Dec 2014 13:35 |
As parish is Old Monkland, same as 1871 census and mother's name is Bridget, I thought this may be Patrick in 1861:-
1861 Scotland Census about Patrick Curran Name: Patrick Curran Age: 16 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845 Relationship: Son Father's Name: James Curran Mother's name: Bridget Curran Gender: Male Where born: Ireland Registration Number: 652/2 Registration district: Old Monkland Middle District Civil Parish: Old Monkland County: Lanarkshire Address: 20 Occupation: Ironstone Miner ED: 10 Household schedule number: 18 LINE: 16 Roll: CSSCT1861_118 Household Members: Name Age James Curran 44 Bridget Curran 34 Patrick Curran 16 Bridget Curran 14 William Curran 7 Michael Curran 5 Mary Curran 2
....................but father is noted as James and not Patrick as the tree on ancestry states, so maybe not ????
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Catherine
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6 Dec 2014 13:28 |
This looks as though it could be the couple in 1871?
1871 Scotland Census about Patrick Currans Name: Patrick Currans Age: 26 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845 Relationship: Head Spouse's name : Ellen Currans Gender: Male Where born: Ireland Registration Number: 652/2 Registration district: Old Monkland Middle District Civil Parish: Old Monkland County: Lanarkshire Address: 17 Back Row Occupation: Miner ED: 9 Household schedule number: 17 LINE: 15 Roll: CSSCT1871_148 Household Members: Name Age Patrick Currans 26 Ellen Currans 25 born: Strathaven, lanarksh
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Gritty
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6 Dec 2014 09:30 |
New Zealand, Archives New Zealand, Passenger Lists
Name: Patrick Curren Event Type: Immigration Event Date: 27 Oct 1875 Event Place: Otago, New Zealand Gender: Male Marital Status: Married Nationality: Lanarkshire Occupation: Laborer Departure Port: Clyde Departure Place: Clyde Departure Date: 1875 Arrival Port: Otago Arrival Place: Otago Digital Folder Number: 004412771 , Image Number: 00008
Travelling with: Mrs Ellen Curren 28 James Curren 4 Sarah Curren 2 Michael Curren 1 month
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11693-138889-34?cc=1609792
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Chris Ho :)
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6 Dec 2014 09:08 |
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1609792
(New Zealand, Archives New Zealand, Passenger Lists, 1839-1973)
(perhaps arrival on above)
Chris :)
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Jacqueline
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6 Dec 2014 09:01 |
Just to say that the marriage and baptisms I posted were from the free familysearch site.........always worth looking at
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Chris Ho :)
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6 Dec 2014 08:43 |
26 September 1907 - Cornishman - Penzance, Cornwall, England
NEWS FROM FOREIGN MINING CAMPS. West Australia.
This morning Mr. Holman, M.L.A., received a telegram from Meekatharra to the effect that a serious accident had occurred at the Ingliston Extended. Only meagre particulars were available, but it is known that there was a fall of earth at the 100ft level, and that two men were killed. M. Curvan and J. Betonelli.
(saw snippet above)
Chris :)
CURRAN Michael 32 Miner 20-Aug-1907 Ingliston Extended GM
http://d6757.mysite.westnethosting.com.au/Mining%20Deaths%20A%20to%20Dhtml.html
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rootgatherer
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6 Dec 2014 08:22 |
1861
Name: Barbara Campbell Age: 44 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1817 Relationship: Head Gender: Female Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire Registration Number: 645 Registration district: Glassford Civil Parish: Glassford County: Lanarkshire Occupation: Tambourer ED: 1 Household schedule number: 54 LINE: 23 Roll: CSSCT1861_114 Household Members: Name Age Barbara Campbell 44 Agnes Campbell 17 Ellen Campbell 15 Sarah Campbell 14 Catherine Campbell 12 John Campbell 10
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rootgatherer
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6 Dec 2014 08:17 |
1851
Name: Ellen Campbell Age: 6 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845 Relationship: Daughter Father: Barney Campbell, b. Ireland Mother: Barbara Campbell b. Glasgow Gender: Female Where born: Avondale, Lanark Parish Number: 647 Civil Parish: Hamilton Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps: View related Ecclesiastical Parish County: Lanarkshire Address: New House ED: 5 Page: 8 Household schedule number: 27 LINE: 18 Roll: CSSCT1851_168 Household Members: Name Age Barney Campbell 37 Barbara Campbell 33 Mary Campbell 10 Agnes Campbell 8 Ellen Campbell 6 Sarah Campbell 5 Cathrine Campbell 2 John Campbell 1 Mo
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rootgatherer
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6 Dec 2014 08:14 |
Bernard Campbell's death registration, if he died in Scotland , will name his parents including his mother's maiden surname if the informant knew the details.
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Cherilyn
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6 Dec 2014 01:35 |
Oh the story gets even sadder.
not only had Micheal's wife Nellie lost a baby daughter aged 10 months the year previous, and was left to care for a 2 year old son, she was expecting at the time of the accident in Aug 1907. The baby girl was stillborn in Jan 1908 :-(
On a positive note, she returned to NSW and remarried, and had 2 daughters.
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Cherilyn
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6 Dec 2014 01:26 |
Just found the younger 4 kids births in NZ!
it was getting late when I had this bit of a breakthru last night...NZ did cross my mind funny enough! But I was too tired to follow it up.
ellen's year of birth seems a couple of years too early? But good to have her mn.
looks like Michael was a baby when they came to NZ. 1875 seems a good fit, maybe the newspaper got his age wrong?
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Cherilyn
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6 Dec 2014 01:14 |
Wow that is brilliant, thank you Jacqueline, Gritty and Catherine! :-)
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Catherine
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5 Dec 2014 20:22 |
A tree on ancestry has the following for this family:-
Parents:- Patrick Curran Bridget Curran
Spouse :-
Ellen Campbell 1844 – 1920 Birth 03 Sep 1844 in Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland Death Apr 1920 in Newcastle, New South Wales, Australia
Parents :- Bernard Campbell 1821 – 1883 Barbara Dirkin
Children:- James Curran 1871 – 1898 Sarah Curran 1873 – 1955
Michael Curran 1875 – (Birth About June 1875 in Lanark, Lanarkshire, Scotland, United Kingdom) Ellen Curran 1878 – Barbarra Curran 1880 – 1963 Agnes Curran 1882 – 1969 Mary Curran 1885 – 1956
Arrival :- 1875 27 Oct Age: 24 Otago, New Zealand Assisted immigrants on ship "Auckland" sailed from Clyde 31st July 1875
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Gritty
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5 Dec 2014 15:55 |
Hi Cherilyn,
I don't have any information, but I did see an article re a mining accident that states Michael (if it's the same one) was 38 when he died- making his dob c1869- earlier than you have.
Geraldton Guardian Friday 23 August 1907
Fatal Accident at Meekatharra "...The interment took place in the Roman Catholic cemetery, Mr. J. Toohey officiating at the grave. The deceased Michael Curran, aged 38, leaves a widow and one child, and the Italian Giovanni Bertonclli, aged 28, was unmarried..."
Also, I think Edward Lockhart and Barbara Curran married 1903 (not 1908)
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Jacqueline
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5 Dec 2014 15:52 |
Name: Sarah Curran Gender: Female Birth Date: 19 Jun 1873 Birthplace: BOTHWELL,LANARK,SCOTLAND Father's Name: Patrick Curran Mother's Name: Helen Campbell
Name: James Curran Gender: Male Birth Date: 28 Nov 1871 Birthplace: BOTHWELL,LANARK,SCOTLAND Father's Name: Patrick Curran Mother's Name: Helen Campbell
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Jacqueline
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5 Dec 2014 15:50 |
Name: Patrick Curran Spouse's Name: Ellon Campbell Event Date: 21 Feb 1871 Event Place: Hamilton,Lanark,Scotland
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M11647-1 , System Origin: Scotland-ODM , GS Film number: 6035516
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Jacqueline
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5 Dec 2014 15:45 |
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Back Row, 17, Old Monkland, Old Monkland Middle District, Lanarkshire, Scotland
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Bridget O'Donnell Head Of House Unmarried Female 40 1831 Housekeeper Ireland Transcription Margaret O'Donnell Niece - Female 7 1864 - Baillieston, Lanarkshire, Scotland Transcription Grace O'Donnell Niece - Female 5 1866 - Baillieston, Lanarkshire, Scotland Transcription Martha O'Donnell Niece - Female 3 1868 - Baillieston, Lanarkshire, Scotland Transcription Patrick Currans Head Married Male 26 1845 Miner Ireland Transcription Ellen Currans Wife Married Female 25 1846 House Wife Strathaven, Lanarkshire, Scotland
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Cherilyn
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5 Dec 2014 14:39 |
I have partly knocked down a brick wall with my CURRAN family but hoping sks can help further please.
I have Michael CURRAN b. c1880 who died in 1907 in Western Australia (I have his death notice, wife's 2nd marriage etc). I don't know where he was born but the marriage notice states '2nd son of Patrick & Ellen Curran, of Newcastle NSW'.
I finally found Patrick & Ellen in New South Wales, along with children's names. However, I can't locate their marriage nor children's births - does not appear to be in NSW or Victoria.
Patrick b. County Cavan , Ireland c1845, d. 1921 Hamilton NSW aged 76 Ellen b. Glasgow, Scotland c1847, d. 1920 Hamilton NSW aged 73. (I have notices and obits from newspapers for both)
Children: James d. 1898 NSW Michael d. 1907 WA John Joseph d. 1938 NSW Sarah d. 1955 NSW, m. Jno BUTLER 1900 NSW Ellen (Nellie) d. 1959, m. Geo BRIGDALE 1917 NSW Barbara d. 1963, m. Edward C LOCKHART 1908 NSW Mary d. 1956, m. Herbert E DAY 1908 NSW Agnes d. 1969, m. John A MOONEY 1907 NSW
Not sure of order except I know Sarah was eldest daughter and Michael 2nd eldest son.
Any advice gratefully accepted, thank you!!! :-)
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