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Jacqueline
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30 Nov 2014 11:26 |
Additional query raised
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1347185
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Julie
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29 Nov 2014 21:26 |
I now think that Edith is the daughter of Eliza Mary Ann, makes sense that she would be living with her In 1911 but with the surname of her mother's husband. Whereas Sarah Elizabeth is the daughter of Sarah Jane, it would make sense that she would be called Elizabeth to differentiate her from her mother, & again she has adopted the surname of her mother's husband. It has taken some fresh eyes to draw together information, most of which I already had. It might need birth certs & perhaps access to the baptism registers to support this. However I still need to go through the info again to see if it really does make sense.
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29 Nov 2014 21:07 |
I wonder if Sarah Elizabeth and Edith Catherine are sisters.
I did think that Edith Catherine birth reg Dec qtr 1899 might be the daughter of Lizzie, 1901 census,(Birth reg Dec 1884 Cunnington Elizabeth Holbeach 7a 406) as in 1901 she married James William Fensom and James had a sister Edith Catherine Fensom BUT this would mean that Lizzie was only 15 when she gave birth and 16 when she married James Fensom
Lizzie could not have been the mother to Sarah Elizabeth
The name changing between Lizzie, Elizabeth and Eliza Mary Ann are confusing.
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29 Nov 2014 20:43 |
Probate
Cliff John James of Gedney Drove End, Lincolnshire died 12/06/1962 at Pinchbeck Road Hospital, Spalding, Lincs. Admin to Charles Leonard Cliff, smallholder £405. 14s.
Sarah's death. East Elloe covers GEdney Drove End
Deaths Jun 1945 (>99%) Cliff Sarah J 70 E.Elloe 7a 354
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Julie
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29 Nov 2014 20:23 |
PricklyHolly I think I have been a bit blinkered in not spotting the possible connection to Elizabeth Cliff. Thanks for pointing me in what I think might be the right direction. I will have to work through this to check that it all hangs together. I think that the 1901 cenus might have been an attempt to mask illegitimate granddaughters, rather than a transcription error.
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PricklyHolly
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29 Nov 2014 20:04 |
1901 England Census about Kate Cunnington Name:Kate Cunnington Age:50 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1851 Relation to Head:Wife Gender:Female Spouse:John Cunnington Birth Place:Reppingate Bourne, Lincolnshire, England Civil Parish:Holbeach Ecclesiastical parish:Holbeach St Luke Town:Holbeach St Luke County/Island:Lincolnshire Country:England
Household Members:
John Cunnington 54 Kate Cunnington 50 Mary Ann Cunnington 24 Lizzie Cunnington 16 Rose Ann Cunnington 14 Sarah Elizabeth Cunnington 6 Edith Catherine Cunnington 1
Sarah and Edith seem to have been mistranscribed as the Daughters of John and Kate.
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Chris Ho :)
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29 Nov 2014 19:52 |
JOHN (1446) bp Holbeach Hurn 16.10.1842. An Ag Worker, married 26.02.1866 to Catherine "Kate" Wilson, she born Rippingale 1846. A Charlotte was marriage witness. He died 1910-1Q and she 1930-1Q age 84, both buried at Holbeach Hurn.
Children
10.12.1866 bp JOHN WILLIAM (531) See FAM 29A
1868-2Q bp 25.04.1868 Charlotte...d inf 1868-3Q
1869-3Q EDWARD (1451) See FAM 70E
1871-3Q RICHARD (===) died 1873-2Q age 1 yr
1874-4Q Sarah Jane. Married 01.05.1895 to J J Cliff
1876-4Q Eliza Mary Ann. Married 09.04.1901 to J W Fensom
1879-4Q ARTHUR (1452) See Below
1882-1Q Louisa. Married 23.07.1900 to J W Clark
1884-4Q Elizabeth. Married (when /where ?) to A Williams
1899-4Q Edith Catherine
24.11.1886 bp Rose Ellen. Married 08.07.1904 to George Henry Shepherd (See FAM 82C). She d 19.05.1963, he d March 1968, both at Wisbech. (This is where Edna Peters fits...see also FAM 82C)
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cunnington/family70.htm
(above info., comes up on google search)
Chris :)
http://www.roll-of-honour.com/Lincolnshire/HolbeachHurn.html
(Arthur Cunnington)
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PricklyHolly
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29 Nov 2014 19:49 |
1911 England Census about Sarah Jane Cliff Name:Sarah Jane Cliff Age in 1911:36 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1875 Relation to Head:Wife Gender:Female Birth Place:Holbeach, Lincolnshire, England Civil Parish:Gedney County/Island:Lincolnshire Country:England Street address:Gedney Marsh Holbeach Lincs Marital Status:Married Registration district:Holbeach
John Jas Cliff 37 Sarah Jane Cliff 36 George Edward Cliff 12 Elsie May Cliff 9 John William Cliff 7 Charles Leonard Cliff 5 Gladyss Hilda Cliff 2 Rose Mary Cliff 2/12
(8 children born and living)
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Rambling
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29 Nov 2014 19:38 |
I think the name Cliff might come from this marriage?
Marriages Jun 1895 (>99%)
Cliff John James Holbeach 7a 829 Cunnington Sarah Jane Holbeach 7a 829
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PricklyHolly
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29 Nov 2014 19:31 |
Might this be Sarah Elizabeth on the 1911 census.........transcribed as Elizabeth Cliff
1911 England Census about Mrs Kate Cunnington Name:Mrs Kate Cunnington Age in 1911:67 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1844 Relation to Head:Head Gender:Female Birth Place:Rippingale, Lincolnshire, England Civil Parish:Holbeach County/Island:Lincolnshire Country:England Street address:Holbeach Hurn Lincolnshire Marital Status:Widowed Registration district:Holbeach
Household Members:
Kate Cunnington 67 Elizabeth Cliff 16 (Granddaughter) Holbeach Hurn Lincolnshire
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29 Nov 2014 19:31 |
Rose Ann, Sarah's sister on the 1901 is Rose E in the 1891 a Rose Ellen is on the 1911 married to George Shepherd
Births Dec 1886 (>99%) Cunnington Rose Ellen Holbeach 7a 398 Scan available - click to view
she married in 1904
Marriages Sep 1904 (>99%) Cunnington Rose Ellen Holbeach 7a 855 Scan available - click to view SHEPHERD George Holbeach 7a 855 Scan available - click to view
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Julie
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29 Nov 2014 19:09 |
Many thanks for the marriage details.
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29 Nov 2014 18:51 |
Sarahs marriage
First name(s) SARAH E Last name CUNNINGTON Marriage quarter 1 Marriage year 1917 Registration month - MarriageFinderâ„¢ SARAH E CUNNINGTON married JAMES E SEYMOUR Spouse's last name SEYMOUR District HOLBEACH District number - County Lincolnshire Country England Volume 7A Page 593 Record set England & Wales marriages 1837-2008 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Record collection Marriages & divorces Collections from Great Britain
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Julie
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29 Nov 2014 18:11 |
Can anyone help me track down Sarah Elizabeth Cunnington on the 1911 census? She was born 1895 Holbeach Hurn Lincolnshire, she is on the 1901 census as the daughter of John & Kate Cunnington, as also is Edith Catherine born 1899. However, I suspected that both girls might actually be their grandaughters as there is a gap of 9 years between Sarah Elizabeth & the previous child, in addition John & Kate already had daughters named Sarah (Jane) & Elizabeth, both still living at that time. The 1901 cenus shows daughter Mary Ann (full name Eliza Mary Ann) also living with John & Kate. I have tracked down Edith Catherine in 1911 with the surname Fensom, Eliiza Mary Ann married James William Fensom later in 1901. As a 16 year old Sarah Elizabeth may well have been a live in servant by 1911. I have also searched with surname Fensom on the basis that she may have been known by that name. I have come up blank on both surnames.
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