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Hallo, I was wondering if anyone could access these records for me. I want to find our more about my ancester Sidney Court 1839 who was with his grandmother Ann War on the 41 and 51 census. She is registeerd as a pauper so maybe there is info about them in the poor law records.

I can not find a baptism record for Sidney, just a birth record for 1843? Which is a bit odd as hes on the 41 census. On his marriage cert there is no father named

1851
Name:
Ann War

Age:
71

Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1780

Relation:
Head

Gender:
Female

Where born:
Rodney Stoke

Civil Parish:
Wedmore


Name:
S Court

Age:
13

Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1838

Relation:
Grandson

Gender:
Male

Where born:
Wedmore

Civil Parish:
Wedmore

Any tips welcome! Thankyou!

It's unlikely the 1843 birth is your Sidney- unless this is your relation??

Sidney Court
Event Type: Death
Event Date: 19 Apr 1937
Event Place: Royal Oak, Oakland, Michigan, United States
Gender: Male
Age: 93
Marital Status: Widowed
Birth Date: 27 Aug 1843
Birthplace: Summerset, England
Birth Year (Estimated): 1844
GS Film number: 001973061 , Digital Folder Number: 005240313 , Image Number: 02678

I think this is more likely to be your relation:

Death
Sidney Court
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Registration Year: 1896
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 58
Registration district: Wells
Inferred County: Somerset
Volume: 5c
Page: 326

Thank you for your reply. Indeed the first one is not my ancestor so I can cancel out the 1843 birth registration.

The second one is. He later married a Charlotte Bartlett and setteld in Street as a shoe maker. Would the death certificate reveal his parentage?

Baptism
County Somerset
Place Wookey
Church St. Matthew
RegisterNumber 1121
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 24 Sep 1843
Forename Sidney
Sex M
FatherForename Benj.
MotherForename Esther
FatherSurname COURT
MotherSurname COURT
Abode Castle
FatherOccupation Labourer

(if relating anywhere)

Chris :)


http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl

(from above link)


County Somerset
Place Street
Church Holy Trinity Pr
RegisterNumber 169
MarriageDate 14 Jan 1862
GroomForename Sidney
GroomSurname COURT
GroomAge 24
GroomOccupation Shoemaker
BrideForename Ann
BrideSurname BARTLETT
BrideAge 23
GroomFatherForename
GroomFatherSurname
GroomFatherOccupation
BrideFatherForename Joseph
BrideFatherSurname BARTLETT
BrideFatherOccupation Tailor
WitnessOneForename Walter
WitnessOneSurname BARTLETT
WitnessTwoForename Maria
WitnessTwoSurname BARTLETT


Burial
County Somerset
Place Street
Church Holy Trinity Pr
RegisterNumber 1340
BurialDate 07 Nov 1896
Forename Sidney
Surname COURT
Age 58


1841 (Find My Past)
Ann Warr Female 60 1781 Somerset, England (Pauper)
Sydney Court Male 3 1838 Somerset, England
Street Newtown Bempstone
Parish or township Wedmore
County Somerset
Country England
Registration district Axbridge
Archive reference HO107
Piece number 932
Book number 7
Folio number 54
Page number 4

Hallo,indeed this is the marriage. It's Ann Bartlett not Charlotte! The witness are her family members. But the baptism. Doesnt quite fit. How does the granny fit in?And both parents have to be dead by 1841...See if I can find more about them!

Parents are not names on the death certs of adults

Nor, in fact, on any, although the death of a child would usually be registered by a parent, which would give a clue

What are you actually trying to ascertain?

If no father was named when he married, he was illegitimate

Who registered Ann Warr's death?

It might be interesting - if it was Sidney - to see if he described himself as her grandson

Hallo, Im trying to find Sidneys mother which in turn may clear up who Ann War is. Either paternal or a maternal grandmother her name would be Court,unless she remarried or reverted to her maiden name.

This is the only facts which seem to fit...

County Somerset
Place Rodney Stoke
Church St Leonard
RegisterNumber
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 23 Sep 1781
Forename Ann
Sex F
FatherForename George
MotherForename Mary
FatherSurname CARD
MotherSurname
Abode
FatherOccupation
Notes
FileNumber 7990

County Somerset
Place Wedmore
Church St Mary Tr
RegisterNumber
MarriageDate 06 Dec 1830
GroomForename George
GroomSurname WALL
BrideForename Hannah
BrideSurname COURT

Notes
FileNumber 32764

Is there anyone who is visiting the Somerset Heritage Taunton some time soon? And would be able to do a look up? Im intrested in the following concerning Ann Warr/Sidney Court. I want to know the circummstances. wether he was abandonned or his mother had died etc...and maybe it names her too.

Thank you!

Title:
Bundle of papers

Reference:
D\P\wed/13/9/1

Description:

Including monthly statements, returns of lunatics, list of paupers relieved, statements of account, balance sheets, correspondence with overseers


Date:
1836-1841

Held by:
Somerset Heritage Centre, not available at The National Archives

Language:
English

His age is a bit different in 1861

Piece: RG9/1667 Place: Glastonbury -Somerset Enumeration District: 16
Civil Parish: Street Ecclesiastical Parish: Street
Folio: 92 Page: 19 Schedule: 111
Address: High Street

COURT Sidney Head U M 20 Shoe Maker Somerset - Wedmore

And back to 1839 for the 1871 census

Sidney Court Self M 32 Wedmore, Somerset
Ann Court Wife F 32 Merriott, Somerset
Sidney J Court Son M 8 Street, Somerset
Kate A Court Daughter F 6 Street, Somerset
Alice Court Daughter F 3 Street, Somerset
Henry B Court Son M 2 Street, Somerset
Obed W Court Son M 0 Street, Somerset
Charlotte Bartlett Sister-in-law F 25 Poole, Dorsetshire

The 1843 baptism in Wookey posted by Chris above is likely to be this Sidney

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Births Sep 1843 (>99%)
Court Sidney Wells 10 494

Wells RD covers Wookey and he is to be found on the 1851 census in Wookey, born Wookey (co-incidentally living with his grandmother Elizabeth Sheppard).
(Also would tie in with the Michigan death)

If illegitimate as the marriage record suggests, there may well be no baptism to find and there were no penalties for not registering a birth at that time.

Wedmore where Sidney is said to have been born is in the Axbridge RD

There are two other Court children in Wedmore on the 1841 census, neither of whom are living with a Court Family:


1841 England Census
Name:Edwin Court
Age:1
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1840
Gender:Male
Where born:Somerset, England
Civil Parish:Wedmore
Hundred:Bempstone
County/Island:Somerset

Edwin is shown as being at the same address, but in a different household, as this family:

Joseph Boyce 35
Hannah Boyce 35
Robert Boyce 10
Harriet Boyce 10

Edwin's baptism:

County Somerset
Place Wedmore
Church St Mary Pr
RegisterNumber 2634
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 14 Jan 1841
Forename Edwin
Sex M
FatherForename
MotherForename Betsey
FatherSurname
MotherSurname COURT
Abode Wedmore
FatherOccupation Single woman

Edwin is in workhouse in 1851

The other child:

Name:Sarah Court
Age:2
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1839
Gender:Female
Where born:Somerset, England
Civil Parish:Wedmore

Charlott Hurley 26
Henry Hurley 3
Caroline Hurley 1
Mary Faulam 6
Sarah Court 2

Sarah's baptism?

County Somerset
Place Wedmore
Church St Mary Pr
RegisterNumber 2502
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 05 May 1839
Forename Sarah Hole
Sex F
FatherForename
MotherForename Ann
FatherSurname
MotherSurname COURT
Abode Heath
FatherOccupation Single woman
Notes
FileNumber 32736

Apart from the 3 children these are the only other Courts in Wedmore:

Benjn Court abt 1786 Somerset, England Wedmore, Somerset

Elias Court abt 1821 Somerset, England Wedmore, Somerset

Interesting that Edwin and Sarah are both illegitimate but don't have the same mother.
I would think there's a reasonable chance that Sarah's father was a Mr. Hole. It appears to be a common surname in Somerset.

Hallo. this is getting intresting, never occured to me there could be siblings!

The Edwin Court who is with the Boyces and is at the workhouse is a pretty good option and I have to look into Betsey more.

There is a wierd coincidence. I found this on the 51 censes.

Benjamin Court 33
Betsy Court 34
William Court 9
Edwin Court 6
Henry Court 2
The elder brother is legit so it doesnt fitt

The Sarah Hole/Sarah Court census and baptism both give Heath as residence. In 1851 Sarah is living with William and Ann Packer as daughter. In 1861 she is Sarah Packer. Ann Court and William Packer married in Bristol 1847 and Ann Court was prob a servant in Bristol in 1841. If she was Sid's mum why dont they take him in too?

Looking into Benjamin Court I found a Caroline Court who is a single mom, but it's in Clifton 51 and the children are born in Wells which doesnt fitt.

Richard Lewis 40 Head
Caroline Lewis 45 Wife
Ellen Cowet 14 Daughter
Caroline Cowet 12 Daughter
Benjamin Cowet 9 Son
Henry Lewis 2 Son

County Somerset
Place Wells
Church St Cuthbert
MarriageDate 17 Jan 1844
GroomForename Richard
GroomSurname LEWIS
GroomCondition Bachelor
GroomOccupation Laborer
GroomAbode Coxley
BrideForename Caroline
BrideSurname COURT
BrideCondition Spinster

Eliasis single, so not a widow who could not care for his children. And seeing they are illigitimate their surname would be their mothers wouldnt ?

Have to hunt more for Betsey Court mother of Edwin but besides that, I think there is nowhere else to look...except cabbage patches,gooseberry bushes and stables :)

Thanks again for all the reactions!

This is intriging too


Name:
Betsey Barnwell
[Betsey Court]

Gender:
Female

Marriage Date:
13 May 1847

Marriage Place:
Wedmore, Somerset, England

Father:
James Court

Spouse:
John Millard

FHL Film Number:
1565184

I wonder if it should be Banwell, not Barnwell:

County Somerset
Place Cheddar
Church St Andrew
RegisterNumber 193
MarriageDate 17 Mar 1836
GroomForename Charles
GroomSurname BANWELL
GroomAge
GroomParish
GroomCondition Bachelor
GroomOccupation
GroomAbode Batcombe
BrideForename Betsey
BrideSurname COURT
BrideAge
BrideParish
BrideCondition Spinster
BrideOccupation
BrideAbode Nyland
GroomFatherForename
GroomFatherSurname
GroomFatherOccupation
BrideFatherForename
BrideFatherSurname
BrideFatherOccupation
WitnessOneForename Henry
WitnessOneSurname BANWELL
WitnessTwoForename Mary
WitnessTwoSurname COURT
Notes with consent of friends


1841 England Census
Name:Ann Banwell - on 1851 census with Betsey and John Millard
Age:1
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1840
Gender:Female
Where born:Somerset, England
Civil Parish:Chapel Allerton
Hundred:Bempstone
County/Island:Somerset
Country:England

Charles Banwell 30
Betsy Banwell 25
Ann Banwell 1

This Betsey can't be the mother mentioned in the baptism as she was already married when that baptism took place.

Only one baptism coming up for a Betsey Court: Glastonbury, 1813, father James, mother, Ann. That would seem to be the one who married Banwell and Millard.

Thankyou. Indeed BANWELL! But indeed it doesnt fit. Like the bit on the bottom, 'with consent of friends'.

Now hunting for Elizabeth or Betty and trying to connect her to Ann Warr the grandmother. She's an enigma too, she maybe it's Wall or Warre...now if she was a Court before and had a daughter Betsey.....

But somehow I wonder is she really is the grandmother!