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28 Nov 2014 12:57 |
Thankyou. Indeed BANWELL! But indeed it doesnt fit. Like the bit on the bottom, 'with consent of friends'.
Now hunting for Elizabeth or Betty and trying to connect her to Ann Warr the grandmother. She's an enigma too, she maybe it's Wall or Warre...now if she was a Court before and had a daughter Betsey.....
But somehow I wonder is she really is the grandmother!
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28 Nov 2014 11:28 |
I wonder if it should be Banwell, not Barnwell:
County Somerset Place Cheddar Church St Andrew RegisterNumber 193 MarriageDate 17 Mar 1836 GroomForename Charles GroomSurname BANWELL GroomAge GroomParish GroomCondition Bachelor GroomOccupation GroomAbode Batcombe BrideForename Betsey BrideSurname COURT BrideAge BrideParish BrideCondition Spinster BrideOccupation BrideAbode Nyland GroomFatherForename GroomFatherSurname GroomFatherOccupation BrideFatherForename BrideFatherSurname BrideFatherOccupation WitnessOneForename Henry WitnessOneSurname BANWELL WitnessTwoForename Mary WitnessTwoSurname COURT Notes with consent of friends
1841 England Census Name:Ann Banwell - on 1851 census with Betsey and John Millard Age:1 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1840 Gender:Female Where born:Somerset, England Civil Parish:Chapel Allerton Hundred:Bempstone County/Island:Somerset Country:England Charles Banwell 30 Betsy Banwell 25 Ann Banwell 1
This Betsey can't be the mother mentioned in the baptism as she was already married when that baptism took place.
Only one baptism coming up for a Betsey Court: Glastonbury, 1813, father James, mother, Ann. That would seem to be the one who married Banwell and Millard.
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28 Nov 2014 08:57 |
This is intriging too
Name: Betsey Barnwell [Betsey Court]
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 13 May 1847
Marriage Place: Wedmore, Somerset, England
Father: James Court
Spouse: John Millard
FHL Film Number: 1565184
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28 Nov 2014 08:43 |
Hallo. this is getting intresting, never occured to me there could be siblings!
The Edwin Court who is with the Boyces and is at the workhouse is a pretty good option and I have to look into Betsey more.
There is a wierd coincidence. I found this on the 51 censes.
Benjamin Court 33 Betsy Court 34 William Court 9 Edwin Court 6 Henry Court 2 The elder brother is legit so it doesnt fitt
The Sarah Hole/Sarah Court census and baptism both give Heath as residence. In 1851 Sarah is living with William and Ann Packer as daughter. In 1861 she is Sarah Packer. Ann Court and William Packer married in Bristol 1847 and Ann Court was prob a servant in Bristol in 1841. If she was Sid's mum why dont they take him in too?
Looking into Benjamin Court I found a Caroline Court who is a single mom, but it's in Clifton 51 and the children are born in Wells which doesnt fitt.
Richard Lewis 40 Head Caroline Lewis 45 Wife Ellen Cowet 14 Daughter Caroline Cowet 12 Daughter Benjamin Cowet 9 Son Henry Lewis 2 Son County Somerset Place Wells Church St Cuthbert MarriageDate 17 Jan 1844 GroomForename Richard GroomSurname LEWIS GroomCondition Bachelor GroomOccupation Laborer GroomAbode Coxley BrideForename Caroline BrideSurname COURT BrideCondition Spinster
Eliasis single, so not a widow who could not care for his children. And seeing they are illigitimate their surname would be their mothers wouldnt ?
Have to hunt more for Betsey Court mother of Edwin but besides that, I think there is nowhere else to look...except cabbage patches,gooseberry bushes and stables :)
Thanks again for all the reactions!
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27 Nov 2014 13:22 |
Interesting that Edwin and Sarah are both illegitimate but don't have the same mother. I would think there's a reasonable chance that Sarah's father was a Mr. Hole. It appears to be a common surname in Somerset.
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27 Nov 2014 12:13 |
There are two other Court children in Wedmore on the 1841 census, neither of whom are living with a Court Family:
1841 England Census Name:Edwin Court Age:1 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1840 Gender:Male Where born:Somerset, England Civil Parish:Wedmore Hundred:Bempstone County/Island:Somerset
Edwin is shown as being at the same address, but in a different household, as this family:
Joseph Boyce 35 Hannah Boyce 35 Robert Boyce 10 Harriet Boyce 10
Edwin's baptism: County Somerset Place Wedmore Church St Mary Pr RegisterNumber 2634 DateOfBirth BaptismDate 14 Jan 1841 Forename Edwin Sex M FatherForename MotherForename Betsey FatherSurname MotherSurname COURT Abode Wedmore FatherOccupation Single woman
Edwin is in workhouse in 1851
The other child:
Name:Sarah Court Age:2 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1839 Gender:Female Where born:Somerset, England Civil Parish:Wedmore
Charlott Hurley 26 Henry Hurley 3 Caroline Hurley 1 Mary Faulam 6 Sarah Court 2
Sarah's baptism?
County Somerset Place Wedmore Church St Mary Pr RegisterNumber 2502 DateOfBirth BaptismDate 05 May 1839 Forename Sarah Hole Sex F FatherForename MotherForename Ann FatherSurname MotherSurname COURT Abode Heath FatherOccupation Single woman Notes FileNumber 32736
Apart from the 3 children these are the only other Courts in Wedmore:
Benjn Court abt 1786 Somerset, England Wedmore, Somerset
Elias Court abt 1821 Somerset, England Wedmore, Somerset
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27 Nov 2014 11:07 |
The 1843 baptism in Wookey posted by Chris above is likely to be this Sidney
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Births Sep 1843 (>99%) Court Sidney Wells 10 494
Wells RD covers Wookey and he is to be found on the 1851 census in Wookey, born Wookey (co-incidentally living with his grandmother Elizabeth Sheppard). (Also would tie in with the Michigan death)
If illegitimate as the marriage record suggests, there may well be no baptism to find and there were no penalties for not registering a birth at that time.
Wedmore where Sidney is said to have been born is in the Axbridge RD
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BeverleyW
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26 Nov 2014 22:38 |
And back to 1839 for the 1871 census
Sidney Court Self M 32 Wedmore, Somerset Ann Court Wife F 32 Merriott, Somerset Sidney J Court Son M 8 Street, Somerset Kate A Court Daughter F 6 Street, Somerset Alice Court Daughter F 3 Street, Somerset Henry B Court Son M 2 Street, Somerset Obed W Court Son M 0 Street, Somerset Charlotte Bartlett Sister-in-law F 25 Poole, Dorsetshire
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26 Nov 2014 22:36 |
His age is a bit different in 1861
Piece: RG9/1667 Place: Glastonbury -Somerset Enumeration District: 16 Civil Parish: Street Ecclesiastical Parish: Street Folio: 92 Page: 19 Schedule: 111 Address: High Street
COURT Sidney Head U M 20 Shoe Maker Somerset - Wedmore
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26 Nov 2014 12:01 |
Is there anyone who is visiting the Somerset Heritage Taunton some time soon? And would be able to do a look up? Im intrested in the following concerning Ann Warr/Sidney Court. I want to know the circummstances. wether he was abandonned or his mother had died etc...and maybe it names her too.
Thank you!
Title: Bundle of papers
Reference: D\P\wed/13/9/1
Description:
Including monthly statements, returns of lunatics, list of paupers relieved, statements of account, balance sheets, correspondence with overseers
Date: 1836-1841
Held by: Somerset Heritage Centre, not available at The National Archives
Language: English
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26 Nov 2014 11:16 |
Hallo, Im trying to find Sidneys mother which in turn may clear up who Ann War is. Either paternal or a maternal grandmother her name would be Court,unless she remarried or reverted to her maiden name.
This is the only facts which seem to fit...
County Somerset Place Rodney Stoke Church St Leonard RegisterNumber DateOfBirth BaptismDate 23 Sep 1781 Forename Ann Sex F FatherForename George MotherForename Mary FatherSurname CARD MotherSurname Abode FatherOccupation Notes FileNumber 7990
County Somerset Place Wedmore Church St Mary Tr RegisterNumber MarriageDate 06 Dec 1830 GroomForename George GroomSurname WALL BrideForename Hannah BrideSurname COURT Notes FileNumber 32764
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Jacqueline
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26 Nov 2014 11:03 |
Parents are not names on the death certs of adults
Nor, in fact, on any, although the death of a child would usually be registered by a parent, which would give a clue
What are you actually trying to ascertain?
If no father was named when he married, he was illegitimate
Who registered Ann Warr's death?
It might be interesting - if it was Sidney - to see if he described himself as her grandson
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26 Nov 2014 10:57 |
Hallo,indeed this is the marriage. It's Ann Bartlett not Charlotte! The witness are her family members. But the baptism. Doesnt quite fit. How does the granny fit in?And both parents have to be dead by 1841...See if I can find more about them!
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Chris Ho :)
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26 Nov 2014 10:49 |
Baptism County Somerset Place Wookey Church St. Matthew RegisterNumber 1121 DateOfBirth BaptismDate 24 Sep 1843 Forename Sidney Sex M FatherForename Benj. MotherForename Esther FatherSurname COURT MotherSurname COURT Abode Castle FatherOccupation Labourer
(if relating anywhere)
Chris :)
http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl
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County Somerset Place Street Church Holy Trinity Pr RegisterNumber 169 MarriageDate 14 Jan 1862 GroomForename Sidney GroomSurname COURT GroomAge 24 GroomOccupation Shoemaker BrideForename Ann BrideSurname BARTLETT BrideAge 23 GroomFatherForename GroomFatherSurname GroomFatherOccupation BrideFatherForename Joseph BrideFatherSurname BARTLETT BrideFatherOccupation Tailor WitnessOneForename Walter WitnessOneSurname BARTLETT WitnessTwoForename Maria WitnessTwoSurname BARTLETT
Burial County Somerset Place Street Church Holy Trinity Pr RegisterNumber 1340 BurialDate 07 Nov 1896 Forename Sidney Surname COURT Age 58
1841 (Find My Past) Ann Warr Female 60 1781 Somerset, England (Pauper) Sydney Court Male 3 1838 Somerset, England Street Newtown Bempstone Parish or township Wedmore County Somerset Country England Registration district Axbridge Archive reference HO107 Piece number 932 Book number 7 Folio number 54 Page number 4
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26 Nov 2014 10:48 |
Thank you for your reply. Indeed the first one is not my ancestor so I can cancel out the 1843 birth registration.
The second one is. He later married a Charlotte Bartlett and setteld in Street as a shoe maker. Would the death certificate reveal his parentage?
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Gritty
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26 Nov 2014 10:38 |
It's unlikely the 1843 birth is your Sidney- unless this is your relation??
Sidney Court Event Type: Death Event Date: 19 Apr 1937 Event Place: Royal Oak, Oakland, Michigan, United States Gender: Male Age: 93 Marital Status: Widowed Birth Date: 27 Aug 1843 Birthplace: Summerset, England Birth Year (Estimated): 1844 GS Film number: 001973061 , Digital Folder Number: 005240313 , Image Number: 02678
I think this is more likely to be your relation:
Death Sidney Court Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838 Registration Year: 1896 Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec Age at Death: 58 Registration district: Wells Inferred County: Somerset Volume: 5c Page: 326
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26 Nov 2014 10:31 |
Hallo, I was wondering if anyone could access these records for me. I want to find our more about my ancester Sidney Court 1839 who was with his grandmother Ann War on the 41 and 51 census. She is registeerd as a pauper so maybe there is info about them in the poor law records.
I can not find a baptism record for Sidney, just a birth record for 1843? Which is a bit odd as hes on the 41 census. On his marriage cert there is no father named
1851 Name: Ann War
Age: 71
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1780
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Rodney Stoke
Civil Parish: Wedmore
Name: S Court
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Wedmore
Civil Parish: Wedmore
Any tips welcome! Thankyou!
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