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Terence
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18 Nov 2014 01:33 |
I have spent hours trying to sort out what looks like two Albert Higgins both born about 1868 in Marlow, Bucks. I am at the point of needing help please? One married Eliza Wright in 1898 in Wycombe, with no trace of them in any further census! The other (Albert Edward) married Jessie Louisa Norsworthy in1892 in Eton, and is shown in the 1901 and 1911 census' with children Albert, Mervin and Ellen. It seems there are two Albert Higgins born in Marlow , Bucks around the same time. I would have thought the one marrying in Wycombe would be the right one, but there is no trace after marriage. Did Albert and Eliza go overseas? With frustratingly rechecking everything have I missed something? (Mary Ann Higgins1854 married my great grandfather Thomas Meads1862 in 1889 and I am trying to find any ancestors who died in Tasmania, Australia in the 1930's), currently checking Higgins.
Terence in Australia.
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18 Nov 2014 02:08 |
Marriages Mar 1898 (>99%) CARTER Lucy Margaret Wycombe 3a 829 Scan available - click to view >>>>Higgins Albert Harry Wycombe 3a 829 Scan available - click to view Webster William Michael Wycombe 3a 829 Scan available - click to view >>>>Wright Eliza Wycombe 3a 829
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18 Nov 2014 03:16 |
How do you know where and when the above Albert was born if you cannot find them after they married??
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SylviaInCanada
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18 Nov 2014 06:34 |
are these the two you think are born around the same time??
1871 Census
1871 England Census about Albert Higgins
Name: Albert Higgins Age: 7 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864 Relation: Son Father's Name: William Higgins Mother's name: Ellen Higgins Gender: Male Where born: Marlow, Buckinghamshire, England Civil Parish: Great Marlow Town: Great Marlow County/Island: Buckinghamshire Country: England Registration district: Wycombe Sub-registration district: Great Marlow ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Household schedule number: 157 Piece: 1405 Folio: 37 Page Number: 31
William Higgins 54 Labourer (General) Ellen Higgins 43 Lucy Higgins 13 William Higgins 9 Albert Higgins 7 Laura Higgins 3
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Name: Albert Higgins Age: 3 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868 Relation: Son Father's Name: Henry Higgins Mother's name: Hannah Higgins Gender: Male Where born: Marlow, Buckinghamshire, England Civil Parish: Great Marlow Town: Great Marlow County/Island: Buckinghamshire Country: England Registration district: Wycombe Sub-registration district: Great Marlow ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Household schedule number: 17 Piece: 1405 Folio: 43 Page Number: 4
Henry Higgins 34 Brewers Labourer Hannah Higgins 33 Henry Higgins 16 George Higgins 11 Albert Higgins 3
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18 Nov 2014 06:49 |
This looks like Albert and Eliza in 1901 ..................... a mis-transcription of his birth place :-)
It is actually Great Marlow, Buckinghamshire
1901 Census
Name: Albert Higgins Age: 30 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Spouse: Eliza Higgins Birth Place: Shepherds Bush <<<<<< Gt Marlow, Buckinghamshire Civil Parish: Hammersmith Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke County/Island: London Country: England
Registration district: Fulham Sub-registration district: North Hammersmith (including Starch Green) ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Piece: 41 Folio: 96 Page Number: 41 Household schedule number: 258
Albert Higgins 30 Railway Guard Eliza Higgins 30 b.ca 1871, Ipswich, Suffolk
Address:- 31 Askew Road
I have sent in corrections in the form of Alternate Information
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SylviaInCanada
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18 Nov 2014 06:58 |
and this also looks like the same couple in 1911 ............... although it might help if they kept their ages constant :-)
1911 Census
Name: Albert Higgins Age in 1911: 37 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874 Relation to Head: Visitor Gender: Male Birth Place: Marlow, Buckingham, England Civil Parish: Fulham County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 48 Charleville Road, Fulham W Occupation: YARD MASTER RAILWAY CO Registration district: Fulham Registration District Number: 3 Sub-registration district: North East Fulham ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Piece: 310
Emily Winifred Penn 39 Wife Albert Higgins 37 Eliza Higgins 34 b.ca 1877, Ipswich, Servant
so did Eliza get a job as a servant to Winifred, and Albert was visiting her, or ??????????
from image
Married 14 years, no children
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SylviaInCanada
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18 Nov 2014 07:03 |
now ....................
how does Mary Ann Higgins fit in with either of these??????
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18 Nov 2014 08:08 |
1871
Name: Henry Higgins Age: 34 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Hannah Higgins Gender: Male Where born: Marlow, Buckinghamshire, England Civil Parish: Great Marlow Town: Great Marlow County/Island: Buckinghamshire Country: England Registration district: Wycombe Sub-registration district: Great Marlow ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Household schedule number: 17 Piece: 1405 Folio: 43 Page Number: 4 Household Members: Name Age Henry Higgins 34 Hannah Higgins 33 Henry Higgins 16 George Higgins 11 Albert Higgins 3
1861 census
Name: Henry Higgins Age: 25 Estimated Birth Year: 1836 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Hannah Higgins Gender: Male Where born: Marlow, Buckinghamshire, England Civil Parish: Great Marlow Town: Marlow County/Island: Buckinghamshire Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
View image Registration district: Wycombe Sub-registration district: Great Marlow ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 125 Piece: 858 Folio: 52 Page Number: 25 Household Members: Name Age Henry Higgins 25 Hannah Higgins 24 Mary Ann Higgins 7 Henry Higgins 5 William Higgins 2 George Higgins 4
So Mary Ann is a sister???????????????
Jude
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18 Nov 2014 08:52 |
Marriage at All Saints Parish Church Marlow By Banns
1 January 1898
Albert Harry Higgins 28 bach railway guard of Dean Street Marlow to Eliza Wright 27 sp of Dean Street Marlow Witnesses William Higgins & Elizabeth Burton Fathers Henry Higgins deceased brewers labourer & William Wright deceased (no occupation given)
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Jacqueline
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18 Nov 2014 09:08 |
Is Mary Ann supposed to be related to one of these Alberts?
If she is, you must know her father's details, so cross-refer the info about Albert's father (from marriage cert) to verify which one you should be researching.
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Jacqueline
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18 Nov 2014 09:13 |
Is Mary Ann supposed to be related to one of these Alberts?
If she is, you must know her father's details, so cross-refer the info about Albert's father (from marriage cert) to verify which one you should be researching.
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18 Nov 2014 12:03 |
Jacqueline, Mary Ann being a sister to Albert in the 1871 census I posted above fits with the marriage record for Albert Harry (father being Henry) - in both those censuses I posted Henry is a brewer's labourer.
Jude
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Terence
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18 Nov 2014 14:11 |
Thank you to all that have replied. Sorry if I did not make things clearer. Although, as SylviaInCanada points out, ages etc in transcriptions are not always correct. Albert Higgins1868 is in transcriptions of his family. Mary Ann Higgins being the first born in 1854, and the only one recorded with a second christian name!!! Henry Higgins b1836. Hannah Higgins (Nee Kingstone) b1837. Mary Ann Higgins b1854. (Mother Hannah aged 17!!!) Henry Higgins b1856. William Higgins b1859. George Higgins b1861. Albert Higgins b1868. (Middle name Harry nowhere in any census). Florry Higgins b1877. Alfred Higgins b1880. (Mother Hannah aged 43!!!). All above born in Marlow.
Nowhere in transcriptions (apart from his suggested marriage to Eliza Wright) does it mention his second christian name (Harry). Hence my confusion with the other Albert (1864 or 1867 also mentioned as born in Marlow about the same time) who married Jessie Louise Norsworthy in Eton.
Thanks Sylvia and Beejay (who have helped me so much in the past) with the wrong birth place for Albert in the 1901 census and putting them married in Marlow in 1898, with his older brother William as a witness. Father Henry 1837 dying in 1888. Also finding Albert and Eliza in the 1901 and 1911 census'.
No wonder I could not find Albert and Eliza after their marriage.......and no children. I guess this is the right Albert!!!
What remains is the question about the other Albert. Was he mistranscribed as being born in Marlow.
Must go now, it's half past midnight here South Australia.
Again thank you very much all of you.
Terence in Australia.
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