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Gritty - many many thanks especially for the marriage information which has now given me George's fathers name and occupation. regards,

England Marriages 1538-1973 Transcription
name(s) Jane FrancesMiller
Marriage date 10 Feb 1868
Marriage place St. Mary, Lambeth, Surrey, England
Father's name(s) Joseph John Miller (leather dresser)
Spouse's name(s) George Holland (Gun maker)
Spouse's father's name(s) John Holland (Custom House Officer)
Residence Lambeth Road, Lambeth, Surrey, England
Place Lambeth
County Surrey
Country England
Record set England Marriages 1538-1973
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1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Wardour Street, St James, Westminster, London, England
George Hollands Head - Male 29 1842 - Surrey, England
Jane Hollands Wife - Female 23 1848 - Surrey, England
George Hollands Son - Male 3 1868 - Surrey, England
Jessie Hollands Daughter - Female 1 1870 - Surrey, England

Thanks Mike - have now got George back to 1871 census - married to Jane - he is 29 at the time so I imagine getting him on 1861 will prove more difficult as he would only be 19 and probably unmarried. Thanks for your time in having a go at this.

1851

Albert Holland 40
Jane Holland 35
Sarah Holland 13
George Holland 9
Henry Holland 7

Name:
George Holland

Age:20
Estimated birth year:1841

Relation:Son (Child)
Father's name:Albert Holland
Mother's name:Jane Holland

Where born:Ninfield, Sussex, England

Civil Parish:Ninfield
County/Island:Sussex

Albert Holland 50 - BUTCHER
Jane Holland 42
Albert Holland 21 - GROCER
George Holland 20 - BUTCHER

BIRTH
Name:
George Holland

Registration Year:1841
Registration Quarter:Apr-May-Jun

Registration district:Hailsham
Inferred County:Sussex

Volume:7
Page:341

UPDATE (July 2015). I have now sent for the marriage cert of Albert Holland and Edith Annie Jordan and at last have the name of Albert's father. With this I THINK I have located the correct family and full marks to ADIEU who listed what appears to be the correct family. On the marr cert Albert's father is named as George a brass finisher and Albert himself is 24 and also described as a brass finisher. I have gone onto the 1901 census and found the details adieu found and young Albert is described as a brass finisher on there too.... the only difference is that his place of birth is down as Camberwell NOT Wood Green. It has been a long haul but it looks now as if I am on the right track. Let's hope tracing George (b Lambeth) back to his parents proves easier. Thank you all so much for your efforts. I do appreciate it.

Thank you all for continuing to try and locate this fellow. Travelman - I too have just discovered that Edith was living in Hampstead as a maid and I msanaged to find a map showing the relative distance and funnily enough Hampstead and Wood Green are not too far away from each other. This would account for how they met.

Chris Ho - I was absolutely fascinated by the piece you found from the Coventry Evening Telegraph. How on earth did you find that ? I must admit to having a little giggle when I read it. I wonder if their father tanned their hides when he found out what they have done ?

I think the one above is still with dad Mark Holland (a carpenter) in 1911

Maryb

Another possibility???

I think there's a Wood Green in Essex and this birth for an Albert Edward Holland

Witham 4a 464
Mar Q 1880

This looks to be this Albert in 1881 with his parents:


Name: Mark Holland
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Sarah A. Holland
Gender: Male
Where born: Hatfield Peverel, Essex, England
Civil Parish: Hatfield Peverel
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street address: Duke Road Chestnut Cottages
Marital Status: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Carpenter
Registration district: Braintree
Sub registration district: Witham
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1809
Folio: 94
Page Number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
Mark Holland 29
Sarah A. Holland 30
Harriet H. Holland 3
Albert E. Holland 1
John Jeffryes 57

The one with parents George and Jane on 1901 census was Albert W Holland on 1881 census.
says born Nunhead his brother Ernest William born Wood Green Middlesex and also brother Alfred born Wood Green.

So there could be a connection!!

Maryb.

29 October 1918 - Coventry Evening Telegraph - Coventry, West Midlands

County Police Cases.
George Holland and Albert Holland, Caludon Road, all Coventry boys, were charged by Inspector David Macfall with wilfully trespassing upon the railway at Humber Road, near Coventry, on the 6th of October, in such a manner as to expose themselves to danger or to the risk of danger. The boys admitted the offence. Inspector Macfall deposed to seeing the boys trespassing and chasing one another across the line near a level crossing. Fined 5s each.

Chris :)

It looks as if Edith was working in Hampstead, London with her sister at the time of the 1901 Census, which would suggest Albert could still have been in the London area at the same time if they married a few years later. I can't spot him though!

I agree. Having spent hours trying to locate him, it seems the only sensible thing. I was hoping to find Rugby marriages via parish records online but they do not seem to be available. Thank you everyone for trying.

I also think you will need the marriage cert

But there is this one who is a 'brass finisher', just wondering as the father's name is George like Albert's son, but it is just a guess.


NAME: Albert Holland
AGE: 20
ESTIMATED BIRTH YEAR: abt 1881
RELATION TO HEAD: Son
GENDER: Male
FATHER: George Holland
MOTHER: Jane Holland
BIRTH PLACE: Camberwell, London, England
CIVIL PARISH: Lambeth
ECCLESIASTICAL PARISH: St Paul Herne Hill
COUNTY/ISLAND: London
COUNTRY: England
STREET ADDRESS:

OCCUPATION:

CONDITION AS TO MARRIAGE:

EDUCATION:

EMPLOYMENT STATUS:

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REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Lambeth
SUB-REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Brixton
ED, INSTITUTION, OR VESSEL: 53
NEIGHBORS: View others on page
PIECE: 432
FOLIO: 103
PAGE NUMBER: 13
HOUSEHOLD SCHEDULE NUMBER: 87
HOUSEHOLD MEMBERS:
NAME AGE
George Holland 59
Jane Holland 53
Alfred Holland 26
Ernest Holland 22
Albert Holland 20
David Holland 18
Maud Holland 19
Starley Simpson 20

I think you need their marriage cert for its info :-)

Wood Green is north London - Edmonton/Hendon. Lambeth/Southwark is south London.

Jude

I think the Albert E born Lambeth is this one, so not yours


NAME: Albert E Holland
AGE IN 1911: 27
ESTIMATED BIRTH YEAR: abt 1884
RELATION TO HEAD: Head
GENDER: Male
BIRTH PLACE: Lambeth
CIVIL PARISH: Southwark St George the Martyr
COUNTY/ISLAND: London
COUNTRY: England
STREET ADDRESS: 62 Hayles St, Southwark, S E
MARITAL STATUS: Married
OCCUPATION: CARMAN
REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Southwark
REGISTRATION DISTRICT NUMBER: 23
SUB-REGISTRATION DISTRICT: St George the Martyr West
ED, INSTITUTION, OR VESSEL: 7
PIECE: 1779
HOUSEHOLD MEMBERS:
NAME AGE
Albert E Holland 27
Ada Holland 26

Yes Shirley - you are on to the right Albert Edward. Unfortunately I do not have the marriage certificate and if all else fails I will need to purchase it. I did try to find it on parish records and familysearch but to no avail. I have made a note of the Albert 1884 birth and notice it is Lambeth. Is Lambeth near Wood Green do you know ? Also, the year is slightly out and I would have hoped the Albert would have known how old he was. Still, worth noting. Thank you for your help.

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London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Albert Edward Holland
Name: Albert Edward Holland
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 23 Mar 1884
Father's Name: Henry Holland
Mother's name: Maria Holland
Parish or Poor Law Union: Lambeth St Mary
Borough: Lambeth
Register Type: Parish Registers