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Cathryn
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12 Nov 2014 19:31 |
I would really appreciate your expertise tracing further information about my great grandfather Henry George Griffiths known as Harry c1882 born in Bristol. His wife was Alice Maud Andrews born 1882 in Tunbridge Wells - I have got her birth certificate (mothers maiden name was Lee). I cannot find their marriage record anywhere and I'm not sure about his birth record. On the 1911 census Harry was listed at 9 Crimea Road, Aldershot occupation - driver for the Royal Horse Artillery. He is listed with Alice and daughters Kathleen Gladys born 1907 in Newbridge, Kildare and my grandmother Elizabeth Ann who was born in the barracks in Alderhsot in 1909. Kathleen had a twin brother Patrick who died at 9 days old. They then had another daughter Dorothy Mabel born in Leeds in 1912 and Alice Rose born in Cardiff 1914. I was hoping you could double check for their marriage - I'm wondering if they could have married in Ireland? I have discovered this week that my great grandmother Alice Maud was admitted to an asylum in Bridgend, Glamorganshire in 1916 and died there in 1920. According to her patient record ( which to my amazement included her photo!) her address was Flint Street, Cardiff and her mother-in-laws address in 1916 was in Ruby St, Cardiff. This info helped me find Harry's family (mother also called Alice born Wells, Somerset c1862 and father George born Almondsbury, Bristol c1862 in 1911 census with siblings Frank c1887 (Swindon) Archibald c1891 (Swindon), Bert/Burt c1896 (Bristol), Jack c1896 (Bristol), Victor c1896 (Bristol), Gladys c1894 (Bristol) and their widowed daughter Ada Chillcott c1885 (Bristol) and her two children.
I have found the family in 1901 living at Broom Hill, Bristol but Harry is not listed and I am having trouble finding him on that census. In 1891 the family are living at Eastcott Hill, Swindon - Harry is listed there age 8.
Fast forward to 1920 and my great grandmother passes away. Harry then marries Isabella C Fisher and goes on to have more children including Phyllis c1922 in Bristol and Brenda c1924 in Cardiff. However checking today I found two marriages with the same names, one in Bristol 1920 and another in Cardiff 1926. Does that seem like too much of a coincidence?? Would they really get married twice? I am also unsure when Harry passed away. I have found two possibles, one in 1931 and another in 1959. The 1st set of daughters were estranged from their father but I have been told that Harry also ended up in an asylum. I went to the local archives today but they could not find any trace of him. Their records stop at 1955. However I seem to remember finding a entry somewhere during my research where I found a male called Harry griffiths as an inmate but hard as I try I cannot find it now - unless it was some weird dream because that's all I'm thinking about at the moment - ha! I'm very grateful for any input. Regards Cath
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AnnCardiff
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12 Nov 2014 19:43 |
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Name: George Henry Griffiths Event Type: Birth Registration Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec Registration Year: 1882 Registration District: Bedminster County: Somerset Event Place: Bedminster, Somerset, England Volume: 5C Page: 673 Line Number: 170
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AnnCardiff
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12 Nov 2014 19:46 |
Name: Alice Maud Andrews Event Type: Birth Registration Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec Registration Year: 1882 Registration District: Tunbridge Wells County: Kent Event Place: Tunbridge Wells, Kent, England Volume: 2A Page: 655 Line Number: 142
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12 Nov 2014 19:52 |
Name: Isabella C Fisher Event Type: Marriage Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun Registration Year: 1920 Registration District: Bristol County: Gloucestershire Event Place: Bristol, Gloucestershire, England Spouse Name (available after 1911): Griffiths Volume: 6A Page: 521 Line Number: 14 Isabella C Fisher probably married one of the following people Name: Harry G Griffiths
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Cathryn
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12 Nov 2014 19:53 |
Thank you Ann Birth details for Alice Maud are spot on...but his name was Henry George not the other way around...
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12 Nov 2014 19:54 |
Name: Isabella C Fisher Event Type: Marriage Registration Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep Registration Year: 1926 Registration District: Cardiff County: Glamorganshire Event Place: Cardiff, Glamorganshire, Wales Spouse Name (available after 1911): Griffiths Volume: 11A Page: 765 Line Number: 15 Isabella C Fisher probably married one of the following people Name: Harry Griffiths
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12 Nov 2014 19:55 |
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Isabella Caroline Fisher England and Wales Census, 1911 Name: Isabella Caroline Fisher Event Type: Census Event Date: 1911 Gender: Female Age: 46 Birthplace: South Wales Cardiff Schedule Type: Household Registration District: Cardiff Sub-District: East Cardiff Parish: Cardiff County: Glamorganshire
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Cathryn
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12 Nov 2014 20:01 |
I have just picked up a message from a cousin confirming that Harry passed away in his late 40`s so I believe it must be the death Harry G Griffiths in 1931 age 49yrs in Cardiff. Isabella started having her children in the 1920`s so I wonder if the Isabella Caroline age 46yrs in the above entry maybe her mother?
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Chris in Sussex
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12 Nov 2014 20:16 |
Married in Ireland
Name: Henry George Griffiths Event Type: Marriage Event Date: Jan - Mar 1907 Event Place: Naas, Ireland Registration Quarter and Year: Jan - Mar 1907 Registration District: Naas Volume Number: 2 Page Number: 697
Name: Alice Maud Andrews Event Type: Marriage Event Date: Jan - Mar 1907 Event Place: Naas, Ireland Registration Quarter and Year: Jan - Mar 1907 Registration District: Naas Volume Number: 2 Page Number: 697
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Cathryn
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12 Nov 2014 20:20 |
Thank you soooo much Chris - I'm very, very grateful..!! How did you find it and would you know how I go about obtaining it?
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AnnCardiff
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12 Nov 2014 20:25 |
Name: Harry G Griffiths Event Type: Death Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec Registration Year: 1959 Registration District: Cardiff County: Glamorganshire Event Place: Cardiff, Glamorganshire, Wales Age (available after 1866): 77 Birth Year (Estimated): 1882 Volume: 8B Page: 236 Line Number: 40
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12 Nov 2014 20:25 |
and this one :-S
Name: Harry G Griffiths Event Type: Death Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec Registration Year: 1931 Registration District: Cardiff County: Glamorganshire Event Place: Cardiff, Glamorganshire, Wales Age (available after 1866): 49 Birth Year (Estimated): 1882 Volume: 11A Page: 315 Line Number: 27
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12 Nov 2014 20:28 |
what about this one?
Name: Harry George Griffiths Event Type: Marriage Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar Registration Year: 1902 Registration District: Cardiff County: Glamorganshire Event Place: Cardiff, Glamorganshire, Wales Volume: 11A Page: 407 Line Number: 348 Harry George Griffiths probably married one of the following people Name: Millicent Hawker Name: Clara Amelia James
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Cathryn
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12 Nov 2014 20:28 |
Thank you Ann - it must be the second one in 1931...
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Chris in Sussex
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12 Nov 2014 20:48 |
The marriage was on Family Search.
It is a long time since I ordered a certificate from Ireland and I know the system has changed.
Someone I am sure will be along to let you know how to do it.
Chris
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Cathryn
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12 Nov 2014 20:50 |
Pardon my ignorance Chris but what is Family Search? Is it like Genes Reunited? I haven't heard of it.
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12 Nov 2014 21:11 |
from family search its a free site
Alice Maud Andrews Ireland, Civil Registration Indexes Name: Alice Maud Andrews Event Type: Marriage Event Date: Jan - Mar 1907 Event Place: Naas, Ireland Registration Quarter and Year: Jan - Mar 1907 Registration District: Naas Volume Number: 2 Page Number: 697 GS Film number: 101261 , Digital Folder Number: 004199363 , Image Number: 00157
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"Ireland, Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FY8R-361 : accessed 12 Nov 2014), MARRIAGES entry for Alice Maud Andrews; citing Naas, Jan - Mar 1907, vol. 2, p. 697, General Registry, Custom House, Dublin; FHL microfilm 101261.
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Cathryn
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12 Nov 2014 21:21 |
Thank you very much safc!
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AnnCardiff
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12 Nov 2014 21:29 |
the free Mormon site - www.familysearch.org
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Cathryn
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12 Nov 2014 21:37 |
I've just looked at it Ann - it's a revelation, ..!! Thank you
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