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(are they yours above, from google search?, below link could be useful)


http://members.madasafish.com/~cgrs/STAPBAP.htm#a

(BMD's Stapleton Parish Church for the period 1813 to 1839)


045 18 Nov 1819 Joseph STEEL Bachelor of Stapleton & Ann RIDLEY of Arthuret married by Banns Witnesses were James Steel Hannah Steel (X)

(if relating anywhere, probably for below, just seen!)

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1346334

Chris :)

thanks for the correction

Simon ...............


correction to what you have just posted.


The Census does not state that Joseph Steel was married ...........

........ that is what he himself, or the person who gave the information, told the enumerator, and what the enumerator wrote down on the census sheet.

That other person could have been Ann, one of the children, or a neighbour.


Just as many people lived common-law back then as now ................. in fact, I sometimes think there were more then!

AND more of them lied about their status, as they did not want the neighbours or anyone in authority to know that they were not married.

I think we can leave it there. There is enough evidence to convince me that he is a relative, but its a shame they never married, despite the census stating otherwise

my thanks everyone <3

from that 1851 Census

Name Age
John Burrow 50 Ag Lab
Sarah Burrow 51
Jane Burrow 21 Farm Servant
John Burrow 12
James Burrow 10
Ann Burrow 5 Mo
Margaret Ann Burrow 3 Mo b.ca 1851, St Marys Carlisle, Cumberland, Visitor


Margaret Ann in 1861

1861 Census

Name: Margt Burrow
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: 1851
Relation: Daughter
Mother's name: Ann Burrow
Gender: Female
Where born: Carlisle, Cumberland, England
Civil Parish: Hayton
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England

Registration district: Brampton
Sub-registration district: Hayton
ED, institution, or vessel: 5

Household schedule number: 38
Piece: 3906
Folio: 44
Page Number: 8

Ann Burrow 43 b.ca 1818, Haughton, Cumberland, Widow, Farm Labourer
Margt Burrow 10
Mary Burrow 9
William Burrow 6
Elizbth Burrow 4
Hannah Burrow 1
Wm Creighton 74 Boarder



1871 Census

Name: Margt A Burrow
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Daughter
Mother's name: Ann Burrow
Gender: Female
Where born: Carlisle, Cumberland, England
Civil Parish: Hayton
Town: Hayton
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England
Registration district: Brampton
Sub-registration district: Hayton
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household schedule number: 67
Piece: 5208
Folio: 44
Page Number: 11

Ann Burrow 55 b.ca 1816, Hayton, Unmarried, Farm Labourer
Margt A Burrow 20 Domestic Servant
Elizabeth Burrow 13 b.ca 1858, Hayton
Jane Stephenson 2 Boarder
Frances Burrow 7 Daughter (of Ann Burrow)
Thomas Wm Burrow 1 Month b.ca 1871, Hayton, Grandson



I'm playing around, to see if I can get to the wanted information any other way

Thanks for trying at least guys, I appreciate iy

There was no marriage...............

Thank you

I believe that Joseph Steel that married Jane Burrow is the same one born in 1828 because on the census his birth location is given as Brunstock or Hayton, all of theme no more than 2 to 3 miles apart. Getting the record would confirm the assumption. Yes that Walter is my great, great, great grandfather

Is this your Walter?

Walter Steel
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 7 May 1837 Crosby-upon-Eden, Cumberland, England
residence: Crosby-upon-Eden, Cumberland, England
father: Joseph Steel
mother: Ann

....if it is then it looks as though he did have a brother called Joseph:-

Joseph Steel
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 5 April 1828 CROSBY UPON EDEN,CUMBERLAND,ENGLAND
father: Joseph Steel
mother: Ann

Crosby upon Eden isn't a million miles from Cumwhitton.

The Joseph Steel in 1851 census posted by Jacqueline gives his birth place as Crosby, so it is very likely that my baptism is the same Joseph Steel as that of the census.

A tree on Ancestry says that Joseph Steel was born 1828, Crosby upon Eden, Cumberland, son of Joseph Steel & Ann Badley and that he had a brother Walter born 1837 same place.

Hi Jacqueline

I want to find a marriage record so I can find out who the father of Joseph was.

I am not descended from Joseph and Jane, Joseph's brother may have been Walter Steel, my direct great, great, great grandfather, whom I am descended from.

This makes Joseph my great, great, great granduncle

My aim is to make a complete tree of the Steel family <3

For INFO.......showing Joseph to be saying he was unmarried in 1851

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
New Brough Lodge, Newbrough, Hexham, Northumberland, England


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Nicholas Maughan Head Unmarried Male 51 1800 Landed Proprietor Haltwhistle, Northumberland, England Transcription
Jane Simm Servant Unmarried Female 31 1820 House Keeper Whittingham, Northumberland, England Transcription
Ellen Rutherford Servant Unmarried Female 24 1827 House Maid Alwinton, Northumberland, England Transcription
Mary Reed Servant Unmarried Female 22 1829 Dairy Maid Northumberland, England Transcription
Joseph Steel Servant Unmarried Male 22 1829 Farm Servant Crosby, Cumberland, England Transcription
Jonathon Surtees Servant Unmarried Male 19 1832 Farm Servant Warden, Northumberland, England

If they didn't marry, you can't find a record

How did you come to be researching this couple?

Is one of their children in your line?

Or are you just looking at anyone named Steel in the County, with a view to completing your tree?

How would a marriage record help you?

Thanks guys

All of the censuses you posted are the right family.

Perhaps the later children were named Steel because they married at a later date after the births of Ann and John.

I need the marriage record so I can confirm or deny they belong in my family

Interesting????

Marriages Dec 1843 (>99%)
Atkinson John Cockermouth 25 104
xxxx BURROW Ann Cockermouth 25 104 ????
CARR Elizabeth Cockermouth 25 104
Hodgson Ruth Cockermouth 25 104
Peat Joseph Cockermouth 25 104
RUSSELL Sarah Cockermouth 25 104
xxxx Steel Joseph Cockermouth 25 104 xxxxxx
TOPPING John Cockermouth 25 104

............possible he was already married?

There's also this marriage:-

Marriages Sep 1849 (>99%)
Bown Elizabeth Cockermouth 25 89
Glaister Elizabeth Cockermouth 25 89
Martin Joshua Cockermouth 25 89
Parkin John Cockermouth 25 89
Sharp Mary Cockermouth 25 89
xxxx Steel Joseph Cockermouth 25 89 xxxxxx

Ann in 1851?

1851 England Census about Ann Burrow
Name: Ann Burrow
Age: 5 Mo
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Hayton, Cumberland, England
Civil Parish: Faugh
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: Brampton
Sub-registration district: Hayton
ED, institution, or vessel: 9 and 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 121
Piece: 2427
Folio: 98
Page Number: 33
Household Members:
Name Age
John Burrow 50
Sarah Burrow 51
xxxx Jane Burrow 21 - 1830 born: Cumersdale, Cumberland (Farm Servant)
John Burrow 12
James Burrow 10
xxxx Ann Burrow 5 Mo
Margaret Ann Burrow 3 Mo

Ann was baptised as Burrow.

Name: Ann Burrow
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 16 Feb 1851
Christening Place: HAYTON BY BRAMPTON,CUMBERLAND,ENGLAND
Mother's Name: Jane Burrow

and it could be that John was registered as Burrow

Births Dec 1858 (>99%)
Burrow John Brampton 10b 324

Jonathan was Steel

Births Sep 1870 (>99%)
Steel Jonathan Brampton 10b 411

All the later children were registered as Steel.

1871 census would seem to confirm that it's the right family as in 1871 the older children are said to be born in Hayton (where they were living in 1861)


Registration District: Brampton
Sub-District: Hayton
Parish: Fenton
County: Cumberland

Joseph Steel Self M 41 Cumwhitton, Cumberland
Jane Steel Wife F 41 Cumwhitton, Cumberland
Ann Steel Daughter F 20 Hayton, Cumberland
John Steel Son M 12 Hayton, Cumberland
Mary Steel Daughter F 11 Hayton, Cumberland
Joseph Steel Son M 8 Hayton, Cumberland
Jane Steel Daughter F 6 Hayton, Cumberland
Eleanor Steel Daughter F 3 Wetheral, Cumberland
Jonathan Steel Son M 0 Hayton, Cumberland

Is this the family in 1861?
Perhaps they never married?

Piece: RG9/3906 Place: Hayton -Cumberland Enumeration District: 6
Civil Parish: Fenton Ecclesiastical Parish: -
Folio: 65 Page: 21 Schedule: 110
Address: Tow Moor

STEEL Joseph Head M M 32 Where born - Unknown - -
STEEL Jane Wife M F 31 Unknown - -
STEEL Ann Dau - F 10 Scholar Unknown - -
STEEL Sarah Dau - F 7 Scholar Unknown - -
STEEL Frances Dau - F 5 Scholar Unknown - -
STEEL Mary Dau - F 1

Hello

Ann Steel was born in 1851 in Cockermouth to Joseph Steel and Jane Burrow, her brother Joseph Steel was born in 1862 in Brampton

Looking at the marriage records, I cannot find a marriage for them

Joseph was born in 1828 in Crosby Upon Eden and Jane Burrow was born in 1830 in Cumwhitton

Joseph and Jane are not married in the 1851 census, so they were married sometime that year or shortly afterwards.

any help will be appreciated <3