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SimontheScholar
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1 Nov 2014 13:29 |
Hello
Ann Steel was born in 1851 in Cockermouth to Joseph Steel and Jane Burrow, her brother Joseph Steel was born in 1862 in Brampton
Looking at the marriage records, I cannot find a marriage for them
Joseph was born in 1828 in Crosby Upon Eden and Jane Burrow was born in 1830 in Cumwhitton
Joseph and Jane are not married in the 1851 census, so they were married sometime that year or shortly afterwards.
any help will be appreciated <3
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BeverleyW
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1 Nov 2014 13:55 |
Is this the family in 1861? Perhaps they never married?
Piece: RG9/3906 Place: Hayton -Cumberland Enumeration District: 6 Civil Parish: Fenton Ecclesiastical Parish: - Folio: 65 Page: 21 Schedule: 110 Address: Tow Moor
STEEL Joseph Head M M 32 Where born - Unknown - - STEEL Jane Wife M F 31 Unknown - - STEEL Ann Dau - F 10 Scholar Unknown - - STEEL Sarah Dau - F 7 Scholar Unknown - - STEEL Frances Dau - F 5 Scholar Unknown - - STEEL Mary Dau - F 1
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BeverleyW
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1 Nov 2014 13:59 |
1871 census would seem to confirm that it's the right family as in 1871 the older children are said to be born in Hayton (where they were living in 1861)
Registration District: Brampton Sub-District: Hayton Parish: Fenton County: Cumberland
Joseph Steel Self M 41 Cumwhitton, Cumberland Jane Steel Wife F 41 Cumwhitton, Cumberland Ann Steel Daughter F 20 Hayton, Cumberland John Steel Son M 12 Hayton, Cumberland Mary Steel Daughter F 11 Hayton, Cumberland Joseph Steel Son M 8 Hayton, Cumberland Jane Steel Daughter F 6 Hayton, Cumberland Eleanor Steel Daughter F 3 Wetheral, Cumberland Jonathan Steel Son M 0 Hayton, Cumberland
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Astra
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1 Nov 2014 14:46 |
Ann was baptised as Burrow.
Name: Ann Burrow Gender: Female Christening Date: 16 Feb 1851 Christening Place: HAYTON BY BRAMPTON,CUMBERLAND,ENGLAND Mother's Name: Jane Burrow
and it could be that John was registered as Burrow
Births Dec 1858 (>99%) Burrow John Brampton 10b 324
Jonathan was Steel
Births Sep 1870 (>99%) Steel Jonathan Brampton 10b 411
All the later children were registered as Steel.
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Catherine
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1 Nov 2014 15:04 |
Ann in 1851?
1851 England Census about Ann Burrow Name: Ann Burrow Age: 5 Mo Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851 Relation: Granddaughter Gender: Female Where born: Hayton, Cumberland, England Civil Parish: Faugh County/Island: Cumberland Country: England Street address: Registration district: Brampton Sub-registration district: Hayton ED, institution, or vessel: 9 and 10 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 121 Piece: 2427 Folio: 98 Page Number: 33 Household Members: Name Age John Burrow 50 Sarah Burrow 51 xxxx Jane Burrow 21 - 1830 born: Cumersdale, Cumberland (Farm Servant) John Burrow 12 James Burrow 10 xxxx Ann Burrow 5 Mo Margaret Ann Burrow 3 Mo
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Catherine
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1 Nov 2014 15:24 |
Interesting????
Marriages Dec 1843 (>99%) Atkinson John Cockermouth 25 104 xxxx BURROW Ann Cockermouth 25 104 ???? CARR Elizabeth Cockermouth 25 104 Hodgson Ruth Cockermouth 25 104 Peat Joseph Cockermouth 25 104 RUSSELL Sarah Cockermouth 25 104 xxxx Steel Joseph Cockermouth 25 104 xxxxxx TOPPING John Cockermouth 25 104
............possible he was already married?
There's also this marriage:-
Marriages Sep 1849 (>99%) Bown Elizabeth Cockermouth 25 89 Glaister Elizabeth Cockermouth 25 89 Martin Joshua Cockermouth 25 89 Parkin John Cockermouth 25 89 Sharp Mary Cockermouth 25 89 xxxx Steel Joseph Cockermouth 25 89 xxxxxx
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SimontheScholar
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1 Nov 2014 16:46 |
Thanks guys
All of the censuses you posted are the right family.
Perhaps the later children were named Steel because they married at a later date after the births of Ann and John.
I need the marriage record so I can confirm or deny they belong in my family
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Jacqueline
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2 Nov 2014 09:05 |
If they didn't marry, you can't find a record
How did you come to be researching this couple?
Is one of their children in your line?
Or are you just looking at anyone named Steel in the County, with a view to completing your tree?
How would a marriage record help you?
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Jacqueline
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2 Nov 2014 09:07 |
For INFO.......showing Joseph to be saying he was unmarried in 1851
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription New Brough Lodge, Newbrough, Hexham, Northumberland, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Nicholas Maughan Head Unmarried Male 51 1800 Landed Proprietor Haltwhistle, Northumberland, England Transcription Jane Simm Servant Unmarried Female 31 1820 House Keeper Whittingham, Northumberland, England Transcription Ellen Rutherford Servant Unmarried Female 24 1827 House Maid Alwinton, Northumberland, England Transcription Mary Reed Servant Unmarried Female 22 1829 Dairy Maid Northumberland, England Transcription Joseph Steel Servant Unmarried Male 22 1829 Farm Servant Crosby, Cumberland, England Transcription Jonathon Surtees Servant Unmarried Male 19 1832 Farm Servant Warden, Northumberland, England
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SimontheScholar
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2 Nov 2014 13:57 |
Hi Jacqueline
I want to find a marriage record so I can find out who the father of Joseph was.
I am not descended from Joseph and Jane, Joseph's brother may have been Walter Steel, my direct great, great, great grandfather, whom I am descended from.
This makes Joseph my great, great, great granduncle
My aim is to make a complete tree of the Steel family <3
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MargaretM
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2 Nov 2014 16:38 |
A tree on Ancestry says that Joseph Steel was born 1828, Crosby upon Eden, Cumberland, son of Joseph Steel & Ann Badley and that he had a brother Walter born 1837 same place.
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Catherine
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2 Nov 2014 16:42 |
Is this your Walter?
Walter Steel England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 christening: 7 May 1837 Crosby-upon-Eden, Cumberland, England residence: Crosby-upon-Eden, Cumberland, England father: Joseph Steel mother: Ann
....if it is then it looks as though he did have a brother called Joseph:-
Joseph Steel England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 christening: 5 April 1828 CROSBY UPON EDEN,CUMBERLAND,ENGLAND father: Joseph Steel mother: Ann
Crosby upon Eden isn't a million miles from Cumwhitton.
The Joseph Steel in 1851 census posted by Jacqueline gives his birth place as Crosby, so it is very likely that my baptism is the same Joseph Steel as that of the census.
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SimontheScholar
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2 Nov 2014 17:05 |
Thank you
I believe that Joseph Steel that married Jane Burrow is the same one born in 1828 because on the census his birth location is given as Brunstock or Hayton, all of theme no more than 2 to 3 miles apart. Getting the record would confirm the assumption. Yes that Walter is my great, great, great grandfather
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Jacqueline
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2 Nov 2014 21:19 |
There was no marriage...............
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SimontheScholar
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3 Nov 2014 00:34 |
Thanks for trying at least guys, I appreciate iy
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SylviaInCanada
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3 Nov 2014 02:00 |
from that 1851 Census
Name Age John Burrow 50 Ag Lab Sarah Burrow 51 Jane Burrow 21 Farm Servant John Burrow 12 James Burrow 10 Ann Burrow 5 Mo Margaret Ann Burrow 3 Mo b.ca 1851, St Marys Carlisle, Cumberland, Visitor
Margaret Ann in 1861
1861 Census
Name: Margt Burrow Age: 10 Estimated Birth Year: 1851 Relation: Daughter Mother's name: Ann Burrow Gender: Female Where born: Carlisle, Cumberland, England Civil Parish: Hayton County/Island: Cumberland Country: England
Registration district: Brampton Sub-registration district: Hayton ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household schedule number: 38 Piece: 3906 Folio: 44 Page Number: 8
Ann Burrow 43 b.ca 1818, Haughton, Cumberland, Widow, Farm Labourer Margt Burrow 10 Mary Burrow 9 William Burrow 6 Elizbth Burrow 4 Hannah Burrow 1 Wm Creighton 74 Boarder
1871 Census
Name: Margt A Burrow Age: 20 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851 Relation: Daughter Mother's name: Ann Burrow Gender: Female Where born: Carlisle, Cumberland, England Civil Parish: Hayton Town: Hayton County/Island: Cumberland Country: England Registration district: Brampton Sub-registration district: Hayton ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Household schedule number: 67 Piece: 5208 Folio: 44 Page Number: 11
Ann Burrow 55 b.ca 1816, Hayton, Unmarried, Farm Labourer Margt A Burrow 20 Domestic Servant Elizabeth Burrow 13 b.ca 1858, Hayton Jane Stephenson 2 Boarder Frances Burrow 7 Daughter (of Ann Burrow) Thomas Wm Burrow 1 Month b.ca 1871, Hayton, Grandson
I'm playing around, to see if I can get to the wanted information any other way
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SimontheScholar
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4 Nov 2014 13:54 |
I think we can leave it there. There is enough evidence to convince me that he is a relative, but its a shame they never married, despite the census stating otherwise
my thanks everyone <3
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SylviaInCanada
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5 Nov 2014 20:51 |
Simon ...............
correction to what you have just posted.
The Census does not state that Joseph Steel was married ...........
........ that is what he himself, or the person who gave the information, told the enumerator, and what the enumerator wrote down on the census sheet.
That other person could have been Ann, one of the children, or a neighbour.
Just as many people lived common-law back then as now ................. in fact, I sometimes think there were more then!
AND more of them lied about their status, as they did not want the neighbours or anyone in authority to know that they were not married.
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SimontheScholar
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5 Nov 2014 22:44 |
thanks for the correction
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Chris Ho :)
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6 Nov 2014 07:48 |
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=696560.0
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=638062.0
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=695717.0
(are they yours above, from google search?, below link could be useful)
http://members.madasafish.com/~cgrs/STAPBAP.htm#a
(BMD's Stapleton Parish Church for the period 1813 to 1839)
045 18 Nov 1819 Joseph STEEL Bachelor of Stapleton & Ann RIDLEY of Arthuret married by Banns Witnesses were James Steel Hannah Steel (X)
(if relating anywhere, probably for below, just seen!)
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1346334
Chris :)
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