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We all know very little about it when we start David but over the years we get more used to how to do the researching and start to get better results.

Have a look at what you have got and see if there is anything else you want to know and then just ask on here and we will do our best to help.

Give it a yeaqr or two and hopefully you will be finding answers for people too !! - It is VERY satisfying !!!

Dea Xxx

Wow..... I am overwhelmed, thank you all so much,I've spent ages digging into Ruth with no results and you've done this for me,so once again thank you, just shows how little I know about family research.......David

well done, guys!!! :-D

Thank y0u all must read, consider and digest all answers, will be back ! ! Please be patient , again thank you. David.

It looks likely that Ruth died in childbirth ??

Deaths Mar 1878 (>99%)
FORD Florence Mary 0 Chesterfield 7b 415
FORD Ruth 30 Chesterfield 7b 404

Dea x

Just to finish, this looks as though it may be mother Hannah in 1841:-

1841 England Census about Hannah Cartwright
Name: Hannah Cartwright
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Gender: Female
Where born: Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: Ault Hucknall
Hundred: Scarsdale
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Registration district: Mansfield
Sub-registration district: Pleasley
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 193
Book: 8
Folio: 15
Page Number: 25
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Hickton 50
Sarah Hickton 45
xxxx Thomas Cupit 45 - (original looks like age 25yrs) xxxxxx
James Hall 25
John Else 22
Samuel Pearse 18
Alexander Drabble 15
John Spetlles 14
Jane Hall 17
Jane Spettler 15
Jane Pearre 15
Hannah Cartwright 15 - Seamstress

Note there is also Thomas Cupit in same household

I have sent David a pm letting him know that he has replies on here as he is fairly new to the boards.

Dea x

Nice work girls. Had to leave it and get the dogs out. :-D

Yes looks as though you're right Dea, sorted, I can go and make a coffee then. :-)

Going back to Cartwright marriage, this looks to be the baptism for Ruth:-

England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 about Ruth Cartwright
Name: Ruth Cartwright
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 20 Feb 1848
Baptism Place: Tibshelf,Derby,England
Mother: Hannah Cartwright
FHL Film Number: 428946, 498135

Catherine - I think it was Astra who posted the Ruth Cartwright marriage somewhere above !

Dea x

This would then be Ruth on 1851, with Hannah (her mother) and a sister. Both born to Hannah Cartwright before she married Thomas Cupit.


1851 England Census about Ruth Cartwright
Name: Ruth Cartwright
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation: Daughter
Mother's name: Hannah Cartwright
Gender: Female
Where born: Astwick, Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: Tibshelf
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Mansfield
Sub-registration district: Warsop
ED, institution, or vessel: 1a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 92
Piece: 2123
Folio: 238
Page Number: 22
Household Members:
Name Age
Hannah Cartwright 29
Hannah Cartwright 7
Ruth Cartwright 3


I think we have that one sorted then Catherine ;-) :-D :-D

Well done 'Team'

Dea Xxx

The only marriage Ican see for Ruth Cupit is this one:-

Marriages Jun 1866 (>99%)
Cupit Ruth Chesterfield 7b 939
SILKSTONE William Chesterfield 7b 939

.............. so did Thomas Ford and Ruth Cupit actually marry????



EDIT:- just to eliminate this one, this looks to be the above couple in 1871:-


1871 England Census about Ruth Silvestone
Name: Ruth Silvestone
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William Silvestone
Gender: Female
Where born: Shirland, Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: Shirland
Ecclesiastical parish: Shirland
Town: Shirland
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Registration district: Chesterfield
Sub-registration district: Ashover
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Household schedule number: 140
Piece: 3607
Folio: 43
Page Number: 27
Household Members:
Name Age
William Silvestone 29
Ruth Silvestone 25
Ellen Silvestone 4
Elizabeth Silvestone 2
John Silvestone 9 Months

There's also another child baptised that would fit with Thomas and Ruth:-

Thomas Ford
England Births and Christenings
Name: Thomas Ford
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 14 May 1868
Christening Place: TIBSHELF,DERBY,ENGLAND
Father's Name: Thomas Ford
Mother's Name: Ruth
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C05952-1 , System Origin: England-ODM , GS Film number: 428946, 498135


EDIT:- I see Thomas has already been found and followed. Looks like all roads lead to Rome then. :-)

I agree entirely with Catherine and Astra's theory as I had followed it all through and found the same............. (too late as always) !! :-(

I started from the neice Vera Stringfellow who was with Ruth and John in 1911:

1901 England Census about Vira Gladys Stringfellow
Name: Vira Gladys Stringfellow
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Father: Charles Stringfellow
Mother: Sarah A Stringfellow
Birth Place: Tibshelf, Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: Tibshelf
Ecclesiastical parish: Tibshelf St John the Baptist
Town: Tibshelf
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Street address:


Registration district: Mansfield
Sub-registration district: Blackwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3135
Folio: 62
Page Number: 21
Household schedule number: 96
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Stringfellow 39 Coal worker (below ground)
Sarah A Stringfellow 28
Hellen Stringfellow 6
Vira Gladys Stringfellow 4
James Stringfellow 1

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3135; Folio: 62; Page: 21.


Charles + Sarah's marriage showed a possible sister for Sarah getting married at the same time:

Marriages Dec 1892 (>99%)
Cutts Alfred Mansfield 7b 174 Scan available - click to view
FORD Hannah Elizabeth Mansfield 7b 174 Scan available - click to view
FORD Sarah Ann Mansfield 7b 174 Scan available - click to view
STRINGFELLOW Charles Mansfield 7b 174 Scan available - click to view




Looking at the sister and her husband on 1901 showed a brother for Hannah (and Ruth?)

1901 England Census about Alfred Cutts
Name: Alfred Cutts
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Hannah Cutts
Birth Place: Clay Cross, Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: Tibshelf
Ecclesiastical parish: Tibshelf St John the Baptist
Town: Tibshelf
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Street address:

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Registration district: Mansfield
Sub-registration district: Blackwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3135
Folio: 62
Page Number: 22
Household schedule number: 101
Household Members:
Name Age
Alfred Cutts 32
Hannah Cutts 30
Gretrude Cutts 7
Walter Cutts 5
Thomas Ford 32 Brother in Law

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3135; Folio: 62; Page: 22.

Following the brother Thomas also leads us to the Cupits in 1871:

1871 England Census about Thomas Ford
Name: Thomas Ford
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Tibshelf, Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: Tibshelf
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Registration district: Mansfield
Sub-registration district: Blackwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household schedule number: 122
Piece: 3467
Folio: 16
Page Number: 26
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Cupit 57
Hannah Cupit 47
Mary Cupit 14
Thomas Ford 3


This would be Hannah's birth in 1870

Births Jun 1870
Ford Hannah Elizabeth Mansfield 7b 60

This then brings us to the 1871 census already posted.

This 'probable' marriage for the Cupits also links to the Cartwright name:

Marriages Sep 1851 (>99%)
BEDFORD James Chesterfield 19 483
Cartwright Hannah Chesterfield 19 483 <<<<<<<<<
CLARK Mary Chesterfield 19 483
Cupit Thomas Pick Chesterfield 19 483 <<<<<<<<<
Jenkins Adelaide Jane Chesterfield 19 483
JENKINSON Adelaide Jane Chesterfield 19 483
ROPER William Chesterfield 19 483
Townsend Frances Chesterfield 19 483

Dea x

1861 shows she had a sister Ruth:-

1861 England Census about Ann Cupit
Name: Ann Cupit
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: 1855
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas Cupit
Mother's name: Hannah Cupit
Gender: Female
Where born: Tibshelf, Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: Tibshelf
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: Mansfield
Sub-registration district: Blackwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 72
Piece: 2425
Folio: 11
Page Number: 16
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Cupit 46 - Stocking Frame Work Knitter
Hannah Cupit 35 - born: Ault Hucknall, Derbyshire 1826
xxxx Ruth Cupit 13 born: Tibshelf, Derbyshire 1848 xxxxx
Robert Cupit 9
Ann Cupit 6
Mary Cupit 4
Ruth Firth 84
Mary Smith 30

Here she is in 1881

1881 England Census about Ann Cupit
Name: Ann Cupit
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relationship to Head: Daughter
Father: Thomas Cupit
Mother: Hannah Cupit
Gender: Female
Where born: Tibshelf, Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: Tibshelf
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Street address: Overmoor
Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Mansfield
Sub registration district: Blackwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3313
Folio: 51
Page Number: 42
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Cupit 67
Hannah Cupit 57
Ann Cupit 26
Hannah Ford 10

............looks to fit with Hannah Ford from 1871 census.

Mary and Sarah in 1891?

1891 England Census about Mary Ford
Name: Mary Ford
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Niece
Gender: Female
Where born: Eckington, Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: Tibshelf
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Tibshelf
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation: Domestic Servants

Registration district: Mansfield
Sub registration district: Blackwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2650
Folio: 35
Page Number: 12
Household Members:
Name Age
Annie Cupit 38 born: Tibshelf, Derbyshire
Mary Ford 18
Sarah Ford 16
Mark Pemberton 35 - Cousin

(Annie isn't married.)

.....if they are related, then may help to find or confirm any other info found?

This is just a theory.
There is a death for a Ruth Ford in 1878 aged 30 in Chesterfield Registration district. Could this be the children's mother?

A possible marriage of a Thomas Ford to Ruth Cartwright in 1867 Mansfield.

Marriages Jun 1867 (>99%)
BEARDALL George Mansfield 7b 109
BINGHAM Elizabeth Mansfield 7b 109
CARTWRIGHT Ruth Mansfield 7b 109
FORD Thomas Mansfield 7b 109

1871

Name: Thomas Ford
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ruth Ford
Gender: Male
Where born: Tibshelf, Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: Newbold
Ecclesiastical parish: Newbold St John
Town: Chesterfield
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Registration district: Chesterfield
Sub-registration district: Chesterfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Household schedule number: 242
Piece: 3612
Folio: 98
Page Number: 43
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Ford 34
Ruth Ford 25
Hannah Elizabeth Ford 11 Months

In 1881 Thomas is a widower and the daughter Hannah is with her grandparents

sisters with her in the workhouse are .............

Mary Ford 9 b.ca 1876, Chesterfield
Sarah Ford 7 b.ca 1874, Eckington, Derbyshire
Ruth Ford 4
Emma Ford 3 b.ca 1878, Eckington


may help



........... though it hasn't helped me :-(