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30 Oct 2014 16:39 |
Ruth Ford born c. 1877, Ecklington, Derby shire, married John Hill, born 1877 Sheffeid, in Mansfeild Notts,lived for a time in Mansfeild Union Workhouse with sisters, had one daughter, Ruth. Can find no ancesters for her,plenty of descendants. HELP ! ! !
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brummiejan
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30 Oct 2014 16:44 |
I see she is in a workhouse by 1881. First question is - do you have her marriage cert? Jan
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MargaretM
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30 Oct 2014 16:48 |
Marriages Sep 1904 (>99%) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ford Ruth Mansfield 7b 179 Hill John Mansfield 7b 179
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brummiejan
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30 Oct 2014 16:48 |
You might get this, more helpful as will have both parents' names:
Births Mar 1875 (>99%) FORD Ruth Chesterfield 7b 652
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MargaretM
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30 Oct 2014 16:50 |
Is this her?
1911 England Census about Ruth Hill Name: Ruth Hill Age in 1911: 36 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875 Relation to Head: Wife Gender: Female Birth Place: Eckington, Derbyshire, England Civil Parish: Pleasley County/Island: Nottinghamshire Country: England Street address: 1 G N Cottages, Pleasley, Mansfield Marital Status: Married Registration district: Mansfield Registration District Number: 428 Sub registration district: Shirebrook ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Piece: 20295 Household Members: Name Age John Hill 37 Ruth Hill 36 Ruth Hill 1 Vera Gladys Stringfellow 14 John Edward Stringfellow 18
Vera Stringfellow is a niece. Last person is John Edward Pendelow, a boarder.
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SylviaInCanada
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31 Oct 2014 03:59 |
sisters with her in the workhouse are .............
Mary Ford 9 b.ca 1876, Chesterfield Sarah Ford 7 b.ca 1874, Eckington, Derbyshire Ruth Ford 4 Emma Ford 3 b.ca 1878, Eckington
may help
........... though it hasn't helped me :-(
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Astra
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31 Oct 2014 06:57 |
This is just a theory. There is a death for a Ruth Ford in 1878 aged 30 in Chesterfield Registration district. Could this be the children's mother?
A possible marriage of a Thomas Ford to Ruth Cartwright in 1867 Mansfield.
Marriages Jun 1867 (>99%) BEARDALL George Mansfield 7b 109 BINGHAM Elizabeth Mansfield 7b 109 CARTWRIGHT Ruth Mansfield 7b 109 FORD Thomas Mansfield 7b 109
1871
Name: Thomas Ford Age: 34 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Ruth Ford Gender: Male Where born: Tibshelf, Derbyshire, England Civil Parish: Newbold Ecclesiastical parish: Newbold St John Town: Chesterfield County/Island: Derbyshire Country: England Registration district: Chesterfield Sub-registration district: Chesterfield ED, institution, or vessel: 22 Household schedule number: 242 Piece: 3612 Folio: 98 Page Number: 43 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Ford 34 Ruth Ford 25 Hannah Elizabeth Ford 11 Months
In 1881 Thomas is a widower and the daughter Hannah is with her grandparents
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Catherine
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31 Oct 2014 08:11 |
Mary and Sarah in 1891?
1891 England Census about Mary Ford Name: Mary Ford Age: 18 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873 Relation: Niece Gender: Female Where born: Eckington, Derbyshire, England Civil Parish: Tibshelf Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter Town: Tibshelf County/Island: Derbyshire Country: England Street address:
Occupation: Domestic Servants
Registration district: Mansfield Sub registration district: Blackwell ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 2650 Folio: 35 Page Number: 12 Household Members: Name Age Annie Cupit 38 born: Tibshelf, Derbyshire Mary Ford 18 Sarah Ford 16 Mark Pemberton 35 - Cousin
(Annie isn't married.)
.....if they are related, then may help to find or confirm any other info found?
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Catherine
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31 Oct 2014 08:14 |
Here she is in 1881
1881 England Census about Ann Cupit Name: Ann Cupit Age: 26 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855 Relationship to Head: Daughter Father: Thomas Cupit Mother: Hannah Cupit Gender: Female Where born: Tibshelf, Derbyshire, England Civil Parish: Tibshelf County/Island: Derbyshire Country: England Street address: Overmoor Education:
Employment status:
View image Registration district: Mansfield Sub registration district: Blackwell ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 3313 Folio: 51 Page Number: 42 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Cupit 67 Hannah Cupit 57 Ann Cupit 26 Hannah Ford 10
............looks to fit with Hannah Ford from 1871 census.
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Catherine
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31 Oct 2014 08:17 |
1861 shows she had a sister Ruth:-
1861 England Census about Ann Cupit Name: Ann Cupit Age: 6 Estimated Birth Year: 1855 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Thomas Cupit Mother's name: Hannah Cupit Gender: Female Where born: Tibshelf, Derbyshire, England Civil Parish: Tibshelf County/Island: Derbyshire Country: England Street address: Registration district: Mansfield Sub-registration district: Blackwell ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 72 Piece: 2425 Folio: 11 Page Number: 16 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Cupit 46 - Stocking Frame Work Knitter Hannah Cupit 35 - born: Ault Hucknall, Derbyshire 1826 xxxx Ruth Cupit 13 born: Tibshelf, Derbyshire 1848 xxxxx Robert Cupit 9 Ann Cupit 6 Mary Cupit 4 Ruth Firth 84 Mary Smith 30
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Dea
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31 Oct 2014 08:38 |
I agree entirely with Catherine and Astra's theory as I had followed it all through and found the same............. (too late as always) !! :-(
I started from the neice Vera Stringfellow who was with Ruth and John in 1911:
1901 England Census about Vira Gladys Stringfellow Name: Vira Gladys Stringfellow Age: 4 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897 Relation to Head: Daughter Gender: Female Father: Charles Stringfellow Mother: Sarah A Stringfellow Birth Place: Tibshelf, Derbyshire, England Civil Parish: Tibshelf Ecclesiastical parish: Tibshelf St John the Baptist Town: Tibshelf County/Island: Derbyshire Country: England Street address:
Registration district: Mansfield Sub-registration district: Blackwell ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 3135 Folio: 62 Page Number: 21 Household schedule number: 96 Household Members: Name Age Charles Stringfellow 39 Coal worker (below ground) Sarah A Stringfellow 28 Hellen Stringfellow 6 Vira Gladys Stringfellow 4 James Stringfellow 1 Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3135; Folio: 62; Page: 21.
Charles + Sarah's marriage showed a possible sister for Sarah getting married at the same time:
Marriages Dec 1892 (>99%) Cutts Alfred Mansfield 7b 174 Scan available - click to view FORD Hannah Elizabeth Mansfield 7b 174 Scan available - click to view FORD Sarah Ann Mansfield 7b 174 Scan available - click to view STRINGFELLOW Charles Mansfield 7b 174 Scan available - click to view
Looking at the sister and her husband on 1901 showed a brother for Hannah (and Ruth?)
1901 England Census about Alfred Cutts Name: Alfred Cutts Age: 32 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Spouse: Hannah Cutts Birth Place: Clay Cross, Derbyshire, England Civil Parish: Tibshelf Ecclesiastical parish: Tibshelf St John the Baptist Town: Tibshelf County/Island: Derbyshire Country: England Street address:
View image Registration district: Mansfield Sub-registration district: Blackwell ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 3135 Folio: 62 Page Number: 22 Household schedule number: 101 Household Members: Name Age Alfred Cutts 32 Hannah Cutts 30 Gretrude Cutts 7 Walter Cutts 5 Thomas Ford 32 Brother in Law Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3135; Folio: 62; Page: 22.
Following the brother Thomas also leads us to the Cupits in 1871:
1871 England Census about Thomas Ford Name: Thomas Ford Age: 3 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868 Relation: Grandson Gender: Male Where born: Tibshelf, Derbyshire, England Civil Parish: Tibshelf County/Island: Nottinghamshire Country: England Registration district: Mansfield Sub-registration district: Blackwell ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Household schedule number: 122 Piece: 3467 Folio: 16 Page Number: 26 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Cupit 57 Hannah Cupit 47 Mary Cupit 14 Thomas Ford 3
This would be Hannah's birth in 1870
Births Jun 1870 Ford Hannah Elizabeth Mansfield 7b 60
This then brings us to the 1871 census already posted.
This 'probable' marriage for the Cupits also links to the Cartwright name:
Marriages Sep 1851 (>99%) BEDFORD James Chesterfield 19 483 Cartwright Hannah Chesterfield 19 483 <<<<<<<<< CLARK Mary Chesterfield 19 483 Cupit Thomas Pick Chesterfield 19 483 <<<<<<<<< Jenkins Adelaide Jane Chesterfield 19 483 JENKINSON Adelaide Jane Chesterfield 19 483 ROPER William Chesterfield 19 483 Townsend Frances Chesterfield 19 483
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Catherine
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31 Oct 2014 08:45 |
There's also another child baptised that would fit with Thomas and Ruth:-
Thomas Ford England Births and Christenings Name: Thomas Ford Gender: Male Christening Date: 14 May 1868 Christening Place: TIBSHELF,DERBY,ENGLAND Father's Name: Thomas Ford Mother's Name: Ruth Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C05952-1 , System Origin: England-ODM , GS Film number: 428946, 498135
EDIT:- I see Thomas has already been found and followed. Looks like all roads lead to Rome then. :-)
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Catherine
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31 Oct 2014 08:57 |
The only marriage Ican see for Ruth Cupit is this one:-
Marriages Jun 1866 (>99%) Cupit Ruth Chesterfield 7b 939 SILKSTONE William Chesterfield 7b 939
.............. so did Thomas Ford and Ruth Cupit actually marry????
EDIT:- just to eliminate this one, this looks to be the above couple in 1871:-
1871 England Census about Ruth Silvestone Name: Ruth Silvestone Age: 25 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: William Silvestone Gender: Female Where born: Shirland, Derbyshire, England Civil Parish: Shirland Ecclesiastical parish: Shirland Town: Shirland County/Island: Derbyshire Country: England Registration district: Chesterfield Sub-registration district: Ashover ED, institution, or vessel: 15 Household schedule number: 140 Piece: 3607 Folio: 43 Page Number: 27 Household Members: Name Age William Silvestone 29 Ruth Silvestone 25 Ellen Silvestone 4 Elizabeth Silvestone 2 John Silvestone 9 Months
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Dea
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31 Oct 2014 08:57 |
This would then be Ruth on 1851, with Hannah (her mother) and a sister. Both born to Hannah Cartwright before she married Thomas Cupit.
1851 England Census about Ruth Cartwright Name: Ruth Cartwright Age: 3 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848 Relation: Daughter Mother's name: Hannah Cartwright Gender: Female Where born: Astwick, Derbyshire, England Civil Parish: Tibshelf Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps: View related Ecclesiastical Parish County/Island: Derbyshire Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View image Registration district: Mansfield Sub-registration district: Warsop ED, institution, or vessel: 1a Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 92 Piece: 2123 Folio: 238 Page Number: 22 Household Members: Name Age Hannah Cartwright 29 Hannah Cartwright 7 Ruth Cartwright 3
I think we have that one sorted then Catherine ;-) :-D :-D
Well done 'Team'
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Dea
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31 Oct 2014 09:01 |
Catherine - I think it was Astra who posted the Ruth Cartwright marriage somewhere above !
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Catherine
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31 Oct 2014 09:12 |
Going back to Cartwright marriage, this looks to be the baptism for Ruth:-
England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 about Ruth Cartwright Name: Ruth Cartwright Gender: Female Baptism Date: 20 Feb 1848 Baptism Place: Tibshelf,Derby,England Mother: Hannah Cartwright FHL Film Number: 428946, 498135
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Catherine
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31 Oct 2014 09:13 |
Yes looks as though you're right Dea, sorted, I can go and make a coffee then. :-)
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Astra
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31 Oct 2014 09:16 |
Nice work girls. Had to leave it and get the dogs out. :-D
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Dea
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31 Oct 2014 09:18 |
I have sent David a pm letting him know that he has replies on here as he is fairly new to the boards.
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Catherine
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31 Oct 2014 09:21 |
Just to finish, this looks as though it may be mother Hannah in 1841:-
1841 England Census about Hannah Cartwright Name: Hannah Cartwright Age: 15 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826 Gender: Female Where born: Derbyshire, England Civil Parish: Ault Hucknall Hundred: Scarsdale County/Island: Derbyshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Registration district: Mansfield Sub-registration district: Pleasley Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 193 Book: 8 Folio: 15 Page Number: 25 Household Members: Name Age Robert Hickton 50 Sarah Hickton 45 xxxx Thomas Cupit 45 - (original looks like age 25yrs) xxxxxx James Hall 25 John Else 22 Samuel Pearse 18 Alexander Drabble 15 John Spetlles 14 Jane Hall 17 Jane Spettler 15 Jane Pearre 15 Hannah Cartwright 15 - Seamstress
Note there is also Thomas Cupit in same household
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