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I have been searching high and low for the parents of Katherine without any success,

She married Frederick Newman in Northampton in the March Quarter of 1896.

In 1911 she appears in the census with Frederick and her children occupying "2 living Vans" (caravans) at the Victoria Grounds Wellingborough. Katherine describes herself as 36, born in Nottingham. The family's children are Alice Newman (Leicester 1901), Sarah Newman (Leicester 1904), Bridget Newman (Kettering 1907), Frederick Newman (Leicester 1909).

I have been unable to find Katherine in any previous censuses.

Her husband Frederick Newman appears in the 1881 census in Stony Stratford and in the 1891 census in Northampton. As they marry in Northampton it's safe to assume Katherine was living there during the 1890s.

The Newman Family were travellers and Frederick's father Charles Newman (Harrold 1853) was also living on the Victoria Grounds site in 1911 and described himself as a general dealer.

Can anyone find Katherine and her family?

Thanks

Richard

Do you have the marriage certificate ?

Did he marry Katherine Gorman ?

Who is named as her father on the marriage cert ? His occupation ?

Witnessess ?

I do not have the marriage certificate unfortunately.

Richard

1901 Class: RG13; Piece: 2987; Folio: 113; Page: 29.

If this is Frederick then claiming to be single

My mistake, I'm looking for Katherine Gorman and not Katherine Newman. Just a simple typo.

I'm tempted to start a new thread but I''ll give it a bit of time.

Richard

Absolutely no reason to start another thread.

just amend the woman's surname in your title

Two more children? So unless the question was asked wrongly by the registrar, or misunderstood, the mother's maiden name was Gorman (i.e. not previously married, so looking for surname Gorman in previous census)

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page

Births Jun 1914 (>99%)
NEWMAN Catherine Gorman Leicester 7a 382

Births Sep 1916 (>99%)
Newman Thomas Gorman Leicester 7a 323

purely for INFO for us

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Victoria Grounds Wellingborough, Wellingborough, Northamptonshire, England


First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Frederick Newman Head Married Male 37 1874 Stoney Strafford Bucks General Dealer Transcription
Kathamine Newman Wife Married Female 36 1875 Nottingham Notts - Transcription
Alice Newman Daughter Single Female 10 1901 Leicester Leicestershire - Transcription
Sarah Newman Daughter Single Female 7 1904 Leicester Leicestershire - Transcription
Bridget Newman Daughter Single Female 4 1907 Kettering Northants - Transcription
Frederick Newman Son Single Male 2 1909 Leicester Leicestershire - Transcription
Samuel Barley Relative Single Male 15 1896 Northampton Northants

greyghost

The info about the maiden name has already been provided by the poster

Richard

You would be well advised to get a copy of the marriage cert

Jacqueline

As I read it, Richard, the poster, has said that he does not actually have the marriage certificate, in which case the GRO will show the surnames of the couple getting married, but not whether they are single, widowed or divorced at the time of marriage.

Or is that not the case? Perhaps I have missed seeing where he says for sure that Gorman is the maiden name? Or am I missing something obvious.

I've amended the title to Katherine Gorman from Newman to stop any confusion.

Richard

If this is Catherine's birth rego

England & Wales births 1837-2006 Transcription

First name(s) CATHERINE
Last name GORMAN
Birth year 1879
Birth quarter 1
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District NOTTINGHAM
County Nottinghamshire
Country England
Volume 7B
Page 359

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Would this be her in 1881?

Name: Catherine Gorman
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relationship to Head: Lodger
Gender: Female
Where born: Nottinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Mancetter
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street address: "Lodging House" Station Street
Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Atherstone
Sub registration district: Atherstone
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3058
Folio: 26
Page Number: 5
Household Members:

Nathaniel S. Smalley 64
Martha Smalley 63
Nathaniel Smalley 31
Mary Ann Barnsley 16
Lavinia Barnsley 13
Daniel Marshall 38
Esther Marshall 32
Henry Dax 33
Emily Dax 26
Maria Dax 2
Wiliam Jarvis 34
Ann Jarvis 36
William Jarvis 10
Ann Moore 64
Peter Doherty 49
John Potter 60
Peter Gorman 44 b Ireland Tin plate worker
Bridget Gorman 41 b Holyhead, Wales
Bridget Gorman 15 b Newcastle, Staffs
Maggie Gorman 13 b Newcastle, Staffs
Mary Gorman 8 b St Helens, Lancs
Barth Gorman 6 b Stone, Staffs
Catherine Gorman 2 b Nottingham
George Hollins 54

Thanks. This family looks very promising.

I've had another look at the births in Nottinghamshire and the entry given above is the only Catherine Gorman born in Nottingham near to 1875.

Can anyone find the family of Peter Gorman (Ireland1837) and Bridget (1840 Holyhead) before.or indeed after 1881.

Richard

Baptism
County Nottinghamshire
Place Nottingham
Church St Patrick Rc
RegisterNumber
DateOfBirth 07 Feb 1879
BaptismDate 02 Mar 1879
Forename Catharine
Sex F
FatherForename James
MotherForename Bridget
FatherSurname GORMAN
MotherSurname O'DONALD
Abode Lees Yd


http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl

(if relating, from above)

Chris :)

Staffordshire Birth indexes for the years: 1865
GORMAN Bridget Newcastle-under-Lyme Newcastle-Under-Lyme NUL/30/028

Staffordshire Birth indexes for the years: 1867
GORMAN Margaret Newcastle-under-Lyme Newcastle-Under-Lyme NUL/32/098

Staffordshire Birth indexes for the years: 1874
GORMAN Bartholomew Stone Newcastle-Under-Lyme O'DONALD STE/22/400

http://www.staffordshirebmd.org.uk/index.php

(would be interesting to see name of father on Marriage Cert.)

On freebmd there is only one birth of a Catherine or Katherine Gorman in Nottingham from 1807-1900, so I think that the baptism at St Patrick's Nottingham must be the person I am looking for. Father James Gorman. Mother Bridget O'Donald.

Similarly the only Catherine Gorman born in Nottingham at the relevant time that I can find in the censuses is the Catherine Gorman in Mancetter belonging to the family og Peter Gorman and his wife Bridget.

Any explanations? What was this father calling himself in other censuses?

Richard

1871 census is FREE on...........

https://familysearch.org/

as is 1881

BUT.............the only way to be sure you follow the correct line is to get a copy of the marriage cert

Thanks. I've sent off for the marriage certificate. We'll see what it reveals.

Richard

I've now got the marriage certificate but still can't locate the family in the censuses.

Marriage at All Saints Northampton 11th Feb 1896

Frederick Newman 19 bachelor (Hawker) address The Green Northampton
Father Charles Newman (Hawker)

Katherine Gorman 18 spinster (Hawker) address The Green Northampton
Father James Gorman (Hawker)

Witnesses Sarah Ann Newman and George William Shelton

Any help in finding Katherine Gorman's family would be much appreciated .

Richard