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Lillian Kelly (c1888)
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jenVG | Report | 17 Nov 2014 22:21 |
I actually got to speak to a descendant of the Lilian M Kelly who married George E Freeman. Their daughter Lilian A M Freeman born 1938 cannot remember her mother ever living in Camberwell - so I suppose I can rule out that Lilian Kellly. I still wonder though. |
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jenVG | Report | 25 Oct 2014 18:16 |
Oh tanks |
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brummiejan | Report | 25 Oct 2014 17:50 |
You do realise it is George E?? For some reason he has got detached from the Lillian entry. |
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jenVG | Report | 25 Oct 2014 17:31 |
"Run off with anr = run off with another!. Henry Frederick Bass is on the 19ll census at 25 Arbour Square Stepney with his wife- no children Mary Ann Bass. After that I have not managed to pin him down until 1920 at 27 Philip Road Camberwell. Thanks for the above. On free bmd it shows a marriage of Lilian M Kelly to a Freeman 1d 192 in Southwark March 1918 but I don't know how to find his Christian name. Now I must throw a couple of chops under the grill or there will be a divorce!!! Thanks for your continuing interest! |
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brummiejan | Report | 25 Oct 2014 17:05 |
If you look for spouse name, you get this: |
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jenVG | Report | 25 Oct 2014 16:55 |
Hello again. I have another idea to bounce off you brummiejan. Say for instance that the bride did run off with anr. (family rumour is that it was a policeman from Arbour Square police station - where the couple lived in 1911). The bridesmaid Lillian Kelly could be the person listed as marrying someone called Freeman in Southwark in March 1918.(For some reason I can't find his christian name on freebmd) In December that year a child was born named Lilian A M Freeman - mother's maiden name Kelly. All these Lilians and variations of Mary,Marian, etc could have moved in with our Hen Fred and started using his name Bass. They had all gone by the time Hen Fred died in Sept 1959. What do you think about this lates supposition of mine please? :-S |
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jenVG | Report | 24 Oct 2014 13:40 |
Yes Jan - Every chance she is coming home for a reconciliation. She turned up there in 1932 and 1935 was the last time she was listed. Her disappearance coincides with the appearance of the Lilian. If she split from Hen Fred between 1911 and him appearing at no.27 in 1920, I suppose she could have had a child with anr. So many possibilities! That child may have the name Bass (if the daddy did a runner). Was that child Lilian? so my idea of the bridesmaid moving in in 1935 may be wrong. |
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brummiejan | Report | 24 Oct 2014 13:05 |
John J O'Keefe is living at Philip Rd 1963. |
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brummiejan | Report | 24 Oct 2014 12:55 |
Just to confirm, Ann Mary/Mary Ann at Philip Rd 1932-5 Lilian Marion re-appears 1936. |
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brummiejan | Report | 24 Oct 2014 12:43 |
I do wonder about that Ann Mary in 1935 though - any chance she is his wife? |
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jenVG | Report | 24 Oct 2014 12:38 |
Yes Jan. 27 Philip Road all through the twenties and up to his death in 1959. We know for a fact that Hen Fred's marriage was rocky but don'k know where Mary Ann went to. However, as her best pal Lilian may have taken up with Hen Fred after Mary Ann went - it may be her. What was her real name before she adopted his? I have a vivid imagination. The reversal of christian names does not help does it? Also Mary could be used instead of Marian maybe?. |
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brummiejan | Report | 24 Oct 2014 12:22 |
Did he live on Philip Road? If so, the name of the woman living with him 1928 is Mary Lilian, but in 1935 is Ann Mary! |
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jenVG | Report | 24 Oct 2014 10:05 |
The couple who got married did not have any children and it is her disappearance that is being investigated by her niece and myself as niece of the bridegroom. (Henry Frederick Bass born 1885 and Mary Ann Connor born Whitechapel in August 1888). We are reluctantly beginning to accept that Mary Ann Bass took up with another man and used his name and her death was registered in that name. The only Mary Ann Bass death for someone at the correct age was the wrong person. |
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SylviaInCanada | Report | 24 Oct 2014 04:55 |
for background, see also |
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SylviaInCanada | Report | 24 Oct 2014 04:47 |
Jennifer |
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patchem | Report | 23 Oct 2014 23:04 |
She might reappear as a god-mother to any children of the couple. |
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brummiejan | Report | 23 Oct 2014 22:17 |
I agree - the presence of an extra 'l' is irrelevant, so don't base anything on it. |
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patchem | Report | 23 Oct 2014 22:04 |
The Lilian that brummiejan found in 1881 appears to be Lillian in1891, so I think you are being too hasty to rule out any Lilian/Lillian on the grounds of one census spelling. |
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jenVG | Report | 23 Oct 2014 20:32 |
Thanks for that. I have done tree searches so hope I get some answers |
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Rambling | Report | 23 Oct 2014 19:57 |
The other witness might be this one given the area if you want to follow him up |
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