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JoonieCloonie
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22 Oct 2014 21:40 |
you can also just go ahead and order the marriage certificate on line Adriana
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
giving the details of the marriage
I'll put it here for you again for convenience, what patchem posted earlier, with the details spelled out for ordering
Name: George A Ford Spouse Surname: Raymond Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1939 Registration district: Halstead Inferred County: Essex Volume Number: 4a Page Number: 1279
It should tell you each spouse's full name, age at marriage and occupation, and father's name and occupation, and also their places of residence and the names of the witnesses (who might be brothers or sisters for example)
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Adriana
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22 Oct 2014 19:38 |
Wow thank you for all this information you have given me, I am working on finding their marriage or divorce papers so I can find out his parents name as well as his age. I will let you know when I find some more info. <3
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JoonieCloonie
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22 Oct 2014 02:28 |
directed here from the new thread, posting here to keep info together
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1345818
my condolences too on a very heavy loss Adriana
there doesn't seem to be any birth record for a George Albert Ford born 1908 in Buckinghamshire, and he does seem to be married off to someone else in any case ... but that is very confusing
the 1938 Ford-Ray marrriage appears to have resulted in 4 children 1940-1950, 3 in Hampstead and one elsewhere (wartime)
... okay the Ancestry tree solves that mystery, that George was born Church
Births Mar 1909 CHURCH George Albert Hendon 3a 284
I would agree that it is entirely possible that the year of birth is a year off on the death certificate ... but the 1986 death does seem to be the death of the 'other' George according to that tree information
... unless ... that really is your George and the other person has just plucked a random death from the records that appears to match their George, which has certainly been known to happen on Ancestry trees and frankly I suspect that to be the case here
because I think their George's death was registered as Church
Name: George Albert Church Birth Date: 6 Dec 1908 Date of Registration: Feb 1995 Age at Death: 86 Registration district: Bedford Inferred County: Bedfordshire Register Number: A38C District and Subdistrict: 3091A Entry Number: 272
I would ask that tree owner what else they know about their George for sure and whether they are certain that is his death
In fact, they seem to be completely confused ...
their George Albert Church with parents Louisa Church and George Ford is in the 1911 census in Willesden, shown as born about 1909 in Kilburn (those are the parents one of the Ancestry trees for the man who married Annie Ray)
the George Albert Church born about 1909 in Bedford is in Bedford with parents Albert and Mary Ann
they have simply created a huge muddle
this is the 1911 census for the George Albert Ford born in late 1909 or early 1910 in St Olave registration district
Name: George Albert Ford Age in 1911: 1 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1910 Relation to Head: Son Gender: Male Birth Place: London, United Kingdom Civil Parish: Bermondsey County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 22 Paragon Place, Tower Bridge Road, Bermondsey Registration district: St Olave (Bermondsey)
Charles Walter Ford 36 a Finger Rug Weaver born London Hannah Ford 34 born London Hannah Ford 11 Charley Wr Ford 5 George Albert Ford 1
you really do need your couple's marriage certificate to know George's father's name and the age George stated for himself at marriage
so you can compare it to an eventual birth certificate (and to the 1911 census for instance) to find his parents and family
this is the only way you will be able to find out more about George
since he was apparently born before 1911, it should be possible to identify him in that census with the info from the marriage certificate, assuming that he married under his birth surname and gave accurate info on his marriage certificate
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Dea
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20 Oct 2014 18:20 |
Photo sent by pm.
Dea x
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Adriana
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19 Oct 2014 19:10 |
also could someone send me the link of the tree? Mant Thanks
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Adriana
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19 Oct 2014 19:05 |
i do not have an ancestry account, so would someone be able to send me the photograph?
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patchem
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19 Oct 2014 18:54 |
The family tree that Choccy mentioned has a photo for their George Albert Ford, 1908 - 1986, and 2 children, both of whom died before George, as did his wife.
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patchem
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19 Oct 2014 18:39 |
The death certificate will have the name of the informant, who could be a relative.
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Adriana
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19 Oct 2014 16:36 |
Think i found George Albert Ford who died in 1986 but cant find out where he would have been buried or if he had any living family ie, daughters or sons.
Thank you so very much for all your help it is so very gratefully received and has restored my faith in humanity <3
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patchem
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19 Oct 2014 15:43 |
This one could have been born in December 1909, and death date was a year out?
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 George Albert Ford Registration Year: 1910 Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar Registration district: St Olave Bermondsey Parishes for this Registration District: Inferred County: London Volume: 1d Page: 192
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patchem
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19 Oct 2014 15:37 |
Free bmd does not throw up a George A Ford nor an Albert G Ford born anywhere from 1907 to 1909. (Apart from a George Albert in Grimsby).
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Choccy
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19 Oct 2014 15:32 |
Oddly there is a tree on Ancestry which has this -
Marriages Sep 1938
Ford George A Ray Hampstead 1a 2082 Ray Annie M Ford Hampstead 1a 2082
George Albert Ford born 18th Dec 1908, Hendon, Buckinghamshire - died Oct 1986 in Camden
(only mentioning as Hampstead and Camden referred to by Adriana)
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patchem
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19 Oct 2014 15:31 |
As Detective said, marriage certificate for more information about George Albert Ford.
Added: Sorry, you have said born 1908 Camden - so birth certificate?
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patchem
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19 Oct 2014 15:24 |
Marriages Mar 1939 Ford George A Raymond Halstead 4a 1279 Raymond Grace A Ford Halsteax 4a 1279
Marriages Jun 1947 Ford Grace A Hamblin Halstead 4a 1524 Hamblin Thomas J Ford Halstead 4a 1524 Hamblin Thomas J Raymond Halstead 4a 1524 Raymond Grace A Hamblin Halstead 4a 1524
Added: England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007 Grace Alice Hamblin Birth Date: 16 Apr 1912 Date of Registration: Dec 1982 Age at Death: 70 Registration district: Bury St edmunds Inferred County: Suffolk Volume: 10 Page: 2433
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Adriana
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19 Oct 2014 15:20 |
I know that they got married in 1939 at hampstead. His name was George Albert Ford and they got divorced (i am unaware of the date) but Grace got remarried in 1947 so it must be within that period.
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19 Oct 2014 15:05 |
Is Albert his surname? Did they actually marry, or co-habit? If you have a copy of the MC, his father's name and occupation if known will help you to find them on census. Witnesses may also be from the paternal side
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Adriana
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19 Oct 2014 14:56 |
Thank you all ever so much for helping me, much appreciated. I also know that Grace married my fathers dad George Albert born 1908 Camden, however there does not see to be a way to trace him.
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Cynthia
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19 Oct 2014 14:43 |
Hello Adriana,
That is sad news indeed and you must be in a whirl. We will do our best to help.
(I will let Adriana know how to find her replies). :-)
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19 Oct 2014 13:50 |
If you are looking for living relatives, then use the names to search all members trees, and contact anyone who has the names listed.
Also trace them forward on http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl to find their marriages then the births of their children
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19 Oct 2014 13:46 |
1901 England Census about James Raymond Name: James Raymond Age: 39 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Spouse: Rose Raymond Birth Place: Bulmer, Essex, England Civil Parish: Bulmer Town: Bulmer County/Island: Essex Country: England Street address:Halstead Road, Bulmer
Registration district: Sudbury Sub-registration district: Bulmer ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 1741 Folio: 53 Page Number: 2 Household schedule number: 12 Name Age James Raymond 39 - Ag Lab Rose Raymond 28 Oliver Raymond 7 John Raymond 4 Frederick Raymond 2
1911 England Census about James Raymond Name: James Raymond Age in 1911: 48 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: Bulmer, Essex, England Civil Parish: Gestingthorpe County/Island: Suffolk Country: England Street address: Westbury Hills, Gestingthorpe, C Hedingham, Essex Marital Status: Married Occupation: Farm Labourer Registration district: Sudbury Registration District Number: 205 Sub registration district: Bulmer ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Household schedule number: 124 Piece: 10532 Name Age James Raymond 48 Rose Raymond 38 - married 19 yrs. 10 live births, 1 death) Amey Weavers 27 (sister) Oliver James Raymond 17 John Edward Raymond 14 Fredrick Raymond 13 Ernest Raymond 11 Woodford Raymond 9 Winfred Raymond 7 Percy Raymond 5 James Raymond 3 Sidney Raymond 7/12
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