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Could someone please help me find this family on the 1891 census.

The 1901 census shows the family living at 84 Vernon St Coventry.

The 1911 shows the year of marriage abt 1888, 23 yrs married.
As they do not appear to know where 2 of the children were born on the 1911 census i am beginning to wonder if the year of marriage is not right or even the ages given.

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.
Regards
Maurice.



1911 England Census about Elizabeth Smith
Name: Elizabeth Smith
Age in 1911: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: India
Civil Parish: Coventry
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street address: 38 Gilbert St Coventry
Marital Status: Married
Registration district: Coventry
Registration District Number: 390
Sub-registration district: Holy Trinity
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Piece: 18562
Household Members:
Name Age
William Smith 40
Elizabeth Smith 39
William Smith 22
Albert Charles Smith 18
Annie Elizabeth Smith 20
Lillie Smith 12
Samuel A Smith 8
Joseph Henry Smith 3
Thomas James Christ Smith 2

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Name: Elizabeth Smith
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 22 Dec 1872
Christening Place: Allahabad, Bengal, India
Birth Date: 16 Dec 1872
Birthplace: Allahabad, Bengal, India
Father's Name: James Smith
Mother's Name: Mary
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C75023-1 , System Origin: India-EASy , GS Film number: 499048 , Reference ID: v 142 p 203

Thank you for your reply Ann, it is appreciated.

Regards
Maurice.

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Peareth Street, Gateshead, Durham, England

Mary Smith Wife Married Female 50 1841 - Ireland

Elizabeth Smith Daughter Single Female 19 1872 - India

John T Smith Grandson - Male 1 1890 - Chester-Le-Street, Durham, England

Were they both surname Smith??

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1888 (>99%)
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EDWARDS Alice Miriam Coventry 6d 812
>>>>SMITH Elizabeth Wall Coventry 6d 812
>>>>SMITH William Coventry 6d 812
STORER Herbert George Coventry 6d 812


Andy

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First name(s) THOMAS JIM C
Last name SMITH
Birth year 1909
Birth quarter 2
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District COVENTRY
County Warwickshire
Country England
Volume 6D
Page 557

Thank you for your reply Shirley.

Andrew i have a feeling both were smiths and came to the conclusion the marriage for Elizabeth Wall Smith is the one.
However i have no other information for Elizabeth or William prior to the 1901 census.

Regards
Maurice.

Looking at 1891 Herbert Storer married Alice Edwards, so William did marry Elizabeth.

Andy

Thank you Andrew,

I guess it would be worth getting that marriage cert to see if it holds any further clues.

Regards
Maurice.

I wonder about this one?


Elizabeth A Smith
Age:19
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1872
Relation:Daughter
Father's Name:Samuel Smith
Mother's name:Rebecca Smith
Gender:Female
Where born:Bergal Presidency, India
Civil Parish:Holy Trinity
Ecclesiastical parish:St Mark
Town:Coventry
County/Island:Warwickshire
Country:England
Street address: <<15 Eagle Street
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status:
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Samuel Smith 49 b Coventry
Rebecca Smith 46 b St Austell Cornwall
William H Smith 21
Elizabeth A Smith 19
Mary Smith 17
Alice Smith 14
Kate Smith 9 b Shrewsbury
Frederick Smith 7 b Coventry

All other children born Bengal, India

Thank you for your reply Flip, i think i discounted that one not sure why but i think i found her later marriage


Regards
Maurice.

If likely then I think this is her christening

Elizabeth Ann Smith
Gender:Female
Birth Date:4 Jun 1872
Birth Place:Dugshai, Bengal, India
Baptism Date:23 Jun 1872
Baptism Age:0
Baptism Place:Bengal, India
Father: Samuel Smith
Mother: Rebecca
Reference ID:v 140 p 24
FHL Film Number:499046

I wouldn't completely discount them - I was about to do so bearing in mind son William's age in 1911 and length of time married. But he was only 10 according to 1901 census, so it still leaves them in the frame.

here is the baptism record for that 1891 Elizabeth

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FG3J-KXT

edit
oops, I didn't refresh ... same one as was posted above, parents Samuel and Rebecca


so hoping that the Smith + Smith marriage certificate is the right one and it shows a father's name seems the best idea

since that makes two Elizabeth Smiths born in Bengal in 1872 :-)
(although this one seems to use her middle name consistently)

Thank you for your reply Joonie, it does appear as the Wall Smith certificate is the only way forward.

Regards
Maurice.

Just in case the one I found is relevant - this is the family in 1881:


Rebecca Smith
Age:35
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1846
Gender:Female
Where born:Cornwall, England
Civil Parish:Vessels
County/Island:Royal Navy
Country:England
Street address:"Crocodile"
Marital Status:Married
Education:
Employment status:
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Occupation:Mrs 85th Regt
Registration district:Royal Navy
Sub-registration district:Royal Navy
ED, institution, or vessel:Crocodile
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece:5633
Folio:34
Page Number:56

Saml. Smith 40 (b Coventry)
Rebecca Smith 35
Sophia Smith 13
William Smith 11
Mary Smith 6
Alice Smith 4

Children born India. Although not sure where Elizabeth is.

Added, sorry Sophia born Ireland not India.

Thank you Flip, was that the ship Crocodile, i did come across an Elizabeth on there but not with a family she appeared on her own which i found strange.

From memory she was either on the previous or following page.

Hope i remembered that right.

Regards
Maurice

Yes, she's an 8 year old girl on the next image. So your memory serves you well!

There's a postem added to this freebmd entry - is that why you've discounted this Elizabeth?

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/information.pl?r=88229653:9532&d=bmd_1412239200

Thank you Flip, i could not remember why i had discounted her.
But it must have been that year of marriage which did not fit.


Regards
Maurice.