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Anne
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5 Oct 2014 22:43 |
I am trying to trace the parents of Julia Parrott. She was born in Deptford in 1815 and married George Webb in about 1834. Any help would be appreciated.
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PollyPoppet
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5 Oct 2014 23:14 |
for ref this looks like her in 1851
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Household Information
Street SNOW HILL Parish SAINT SEPULCHRE City LONDON County Middlesex Division Of County CITY OF LONDON Ecclesiastical District Enumeration District 3C Hamlet House Name House Number Parliamentary Borough LONDON Municipal Ward Registration District WEST LONDON Category Census, Land & Surveys Record set 1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Collections from Great Britain
Person 1
First Name AMELIA Last Name PARROT Birth Year 1801 Age 50 Birth Place England Birth Town St Luke's Birth County Middlesex Relationship To Head of Household RELATION Gender Female Occupation HOUSE SERVANT Folio 204 Page 20 Piece Number 1526 Source Archive Reference HO107
Person 2
First Name GEORGE Last Name WEBB Birth Year 1813 Age 38 Birth Place England Birth Town Kingsbridge Birth County Devon Relationship To Head of Household HEAD Gender Male Occupation PRINTER Folio 203 Page 19 Piece Number 1526 Source Archive Reference HO107
Person 3
First Name JULIA Last Name WEBB Birth Year 1815 Age 36 Birth Place England Birth Town Deptford Birth County Kent Relationship To Head of Household WIFE Gender Female Occupation Folio 203 Page 19 Piece Number 1526 Source Archive Reference HO107
Person 4
First Name GEORGE Last Name WEBB Birth Year 1830 Age 21 Birth Place England Birth Town St Luke's Birth County Middlesex Relationship To Head of Household SON Gender Male Occupation ARTIST Folio 203 Page 19 Piece Number 1526 Source Archive Reference HO107
Person 5
First Name WILLIAM Last Name WEBB Birth Year 1833 Age 18 Birth Place England Birth Town St Luke's Birth County Middlesex Relationship To Head of Household SON Gender Male Occupation PRINTER Folio 204 Page 20 Piece Number 1526 Source Archive Reference HO107
Person 6
First Name JULIA Last Name WEBB Birth Year 1835 Age 16 Birth Place England Birth Town Birth County Middlesex Relationship To Head of Household DAUGHTER Gender Female Occupation SCHOLAR Folio 204 Page 20 Piece Number 1526 Source Archive Reference HO107
Person 7
First Name ELIZA Last Name WEBB Birth Year 1841 Age 10 Birth Place England Birth Town St Sepulchre Birth County Middlesex Relationship To Head of Household DAUGHTER Gender Female Occupation SCHOLAR Folio 204 Page 20 Piece Number 1526 Source Archive Reference HO107
Person 8
First Name EMMA Last Name WEBB Birth Year 1845 Age 6 Birth Place England Birth Town St Sepulchre Birth County Middlesex Relationship To Head of Household DAUGHTER Gender Female Occupation SCHOLAR Folio 204 Page 20 Piece Number 1526 Source Archive Reference HO107
possible Amelia was her sister
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PollyPoppet
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5 Oct 2014 23:26 |
here is the family in 1861 but Amelia is down as hurst and sister but on both census she is unmarried so not sure why she would take the name hurst
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Household Information
Street UNION ROAD County Essex Parish WALTHAMSTOW City Town Ecclesiastical District ST JAMES Parliamentary Borough Enumeration District Registration District WEST HAM Country ENGLAND Category Census, Land & Surveys Record set 1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Collections from Great Britain
Person 1
First Name AMELIA Last Name HURST Birth Year 1806 Age 55 Birth Town St Luke's Birth County Middlesex Birth Place England Relationship To Head of Household SISTER Gender Female Occupation Condition UNMARRIED Archive Reference RG09 Folio 126 Page 45 Piece Number 1061
Person 2
First Name GEORGE Last Name WEBB Birth Year 1813 Age 48 Birth Town Kingsbury Birth County Devon Birth Place England Relationship To Head of Household HEAD Gender Male Occupation LITHOGRAPHER Condition MARRIED Archive Reference RG09 Folio 126 Page 45 Piece Number 1061
Person 3
First Name JULIA Last Name WEBB Birth Year 1813 Age 48 Birth Town Birth County Kent Birth Place England Relationship To Head of Household WIFE Gender Female Occupation Condition MARRIED Archive Reference RG09 Folio 126 Page 45 Piece Number 1061
Person 4
First Name WILLIAM Last Name WEBB Birth Year 1834 Age 27 Birth Town London Birth County Middlesex Birth Place England Relationship To Head of Household SON Gender Male Occupation LITHOGRAPHER Condition UNMARRIED Archive Reference RG09 Folio 126 Page 45 Piece Number 1061
Person 5
First Name WILLIAM Last Name GUMTON Birth Year 1859 Age 2 Birth Town St Luke's Birth County Middlesex Birth Place England Relationship To Head of Household GRANDSON Gender Male Occupation Condition Archive Reference RG09 Folio 126 Page 45 Piece Number 1061
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JoonieCloonie
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6 Oct 2014 00:02 |
if you do a general census search for surname Parrott born in Deptford, there is unfortunately only one and she is a Parrott by marriage
Name: Elizabeth Parrott Age: 59 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822 Relationship to Head: Wife Spouse: Charles Parrott > he was born in Bethnal Green Gender: Female Where born: Deptford, Kent, England Civil Parish: St Sepulchre Without County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 13 White Horse Alley Registration district: Holborn
so there are no surviving brothers or unmarried sisters born there, who might be useful for tracing
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JoonieCloonie
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6 Oct 2014 00:44 |
I don't know why Polly Poppet's source shows 'Amelia Hurst' in 1861 ... it seems to be a very bad misreading of the image
Ancestry says
Name: Amelia Terrott Age: 55 Estimated Birth Year: 1806 Relation: Sister Gender: Female Where born: St Lukes, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: Walthamstow Ecclesiastical parish: St James County/Island: Essex
and the image rather clearly says Amelia ... well, Perrott or Parrott
but no luck on a baptism for her either
oh well, *now* Ancestry finds me a Parrott born in Deptford around that time
in 1881
Name: James White Parrott Age: 57 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824 Relationship to Head: Head Gender: Male > Where born: Deptford Civil Parish: Deal County/Island: Kent Street address: No 153 Middle St Marital Status: Married (no wife present) Occupation: Licensed Victualler Registration district: Eastry
but he's a mystery apart from that census ... ah no, here he is in 1861 in Lewisham, a plumber:
James W Parrett 37 John H Norman 13 - nephew born Greenwich Sarah E Hogwood 43 - housekeeper
unfortunately John Norman is also with James in Lewisham in 1851, with James's wife Annette Parrette
James W Parrett 28 Annette Parrett 28 John Norman 3
here is James is marrying
Marriages Sep 1843 PARRETT James White Kensington 3 216 to Ann Elson?
and nephew's birth
Births Dec 1847 NORMAN John Henry Greenwich 5 231
if you really wanted to put time and money into it, it might be worth investigating James's father on his marriage certificate and/or John Henry Norman's mother on his birth certificate ... but it's a long shot looking for a names that could be traced to try to find a connection of course
it would be great to find Amelia Parrott in 1841 to see whether she was with other family, but given the transcription/spelling problems, that could be a hopeless task
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Sylvia
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6 Oct 2014 00:57 |
Could this be a late baptism for Julia
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Julia Parrott Name: Julia Parrott Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 24 May 1821 Father's Name: John Parrott Mother's name: Adriana Parrott Parish or Poor Law Union: Tooting Graveney Borough: Wandsworth Register Type: Parish Registers
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Sylvia
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6 Oct 2014 01:02 |
I can only find this marriage which is 1831
Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about George Webb Name: George Webb Spouse: Julia Parrott Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 21 Dec 1831 Parish: St Leonard, Shoreditch Borough: Hackney Register Type: Bishop's Transcript
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JoonieCloonie
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6 Oct 2014 01:31 |
perfect marriage Sylvia ... unfortunately since it is from BTs there are no witnesses etc ... :-(
there are several baptisms for parents John and Adriana, some of which even give her surname, variously as O'Kelley / Oakley, all at the link here, at familysearch:
http://tinyurl.com/pv7jf3m
Adriana on same date as Julia John Charles on same date as Julia Benjamin July 1824 Mary October 1824 Emily 1827 Septimus 1829 Richard 1831 Frederick Horatio 1833
if Julia had a sister Amelia born 1801/1806 though, those baptisms seem to be a later generation
if this is Amelia's death (the only likely one)
Deaths Jun 1872 PARROTT Amelia 73 Shoreditch 1c 104
I wonder about this baptism
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NLP3-378
Name: Amelia Parrot Gender: Female Christening Date: 13 Oct 1799 Christening Place: ST GILES CRIPPLEGATE,LONDON,LONDON,ENGLAND Father's Name: Wm. Parrot Mother's Name: Elizth. Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C02577-8
the only other Parrot birth in that batch is Emma 1798, same parents
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Susan
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6 Oct 2014 08:57 |
The marriage that Sylvia found did have witts on the original.
Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about George Webb Name: George Webb Spouse: Julia Parrott Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 21 Dec 1831 Parish: St Leonard, Shoreditch Borough: Hackney Register Type: Bishop's Transcript
Witts George Yarrow ...he is on a few marriages as witt. Jemsina ( hard to read but I think it says) France
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Susan
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6 Oct 2014 09:02 |
A Tree on Ancestry has Julias birth .......she does tell a dif year of birth in the census posted...anything from 1811 to 1815
Julia Parrott Birth abt 1811 in New Cross, London, England Death January 1892 in St Saviour Southwark, London, United Kingdom.
This is the same one that married George Webb in 1831
While I do not take a lot of notice of others trees, If Polly Poppets post is the correct family the first born child George is only 15 years older than his mother if she was bn as she says 1815 ,I would consider 1811 a more fitting year as year of birth for julia,her Marriage reg does not say she is underage at Marriage .
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Susan
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6 Oct 2014 10:09 |
The 1861 census says Parrott for Amelia and clearly says Sister.
1861 England Census about Amelia Terrott Name: Amelia Terrott Age: 55 Estimated Birth Year: 1806 Relation: Sister Gender: Female Where born: St Lukes, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: Walthamstow Ecclesiastical parish: St James County/Island: Essex Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
View image Registration district: West Ham Sub-registration district: Walthamstow ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 249 Piece: 1061 Folio: 126 Page Number: 45 Household Members: Name Age George Webb 43 Julia Webb 48 <<<<<Julias birth year here is 1813,dif again. William Webb 27 Amelia Terrott 55 <<<<<clearly read Parrott William Gumtow 2... <<<<<Grandson to head of house George
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Susan
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6 Oct 2014 10:34 |
I wonder if this is the same family in 1841, living with George snr and his wife.
1841 England Census about George Webb Name: George Webb Age: 25 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816 Gender: Male Where born: Middlesex, England Civil Parish: St Sepulchre Without Newgate Hundred: London Without the Walls County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
View image Registration district: West London Sub-registration district: North Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 728 Book: 3 Folio: 15 Page Number: 24 Household Members: Name Age George Webb 45 Elizabeth Webb 50 George Webb 25 Julia Webb 25 James Webb 14 George Webb 10 William Webb 8 Julia Webb 6
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Anne
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6 Oct 2014 23:24 |
Had a word with a relation who informed that there could be a Jewish connection which might explain the late Baptism of Julia.
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JoonieCloonie
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13 Oct 2014 15:04 |
by the way Anne
you're welcome
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