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unable to find this lady 1861/71

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rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 4 Oct 2014 21:05

1891

Name: Emma Offen
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Dalston, London, England
Civil Parish: Islington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Judes
Town: Highbury
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Highbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 173
Folio: 181
Page Number: 41
Household Members:
Name Age
Marin Willett 66
Annie Willett 38
Thos Sutton 30
Amy Willett 30
Tormuel Sutton 3
Anice Sutton 2
Emma Offen 15


1871

Name: Maria Willett
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Thomas Willett
Gender: Female
Where born: Wilton, Wiltshire, England
Civil Parish: Hackney St John
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: West Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 2b
Household schedule number: 214
Piece: 321
Folio: 57
Page Number: 49
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Willett 49
Maria Willett 46
Emily Willett 20
Anne Willett 18
Charles Willett 14
Amy Willett 11
Henry Reed 27



rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 4 Oct 2014 20:49

Just in passing Eunice appears (on the 1881 census) to be a year older than her brother Arthur.

Have you found the children or their father in 1891 please?

Again that tree on Ancestry has Eunice marrying in Malta to Charles John Offen although the children from the marriage all seem to have the surname Clarke.

Looks like Eunice and her husband were first cousins?

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 4 Oct 2014 20:30

A tree on Ancestry has this for the family in 1861. I can't see that that can be correct though as this Kate is born n Staffordshire.

Name: Thomas Willett
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: 1830
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary A Willett
Gender: Male
Where born: Walsall, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Walsall Foreign
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Walsall
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Walsall
Sub-registration district: Walsall
ED, institution, or vessel: 30
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 199
Piece: 2016
Folio: 20
Page Number: 36
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Willett 31
Mary A Willett 34
Arther Willett 5
Kate Willett 7, b. Saffordshire

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 4 Oct 2014 20:04

Burial Register summary
Offen Katherine Malvina
Burial date
11 December 1881
Authority Manor Park
Location Manor Park Cemetery (Newham)

(above from below link)

https://www.deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch

Chris :)

Amanda,

Amanda, Report 4 Oct 2014 19:56

Hi Shirley,

An offering for 1871?
I think that the last letter is a T not an R

Name:
Catherine Willer
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: London, England
Civil Parish: Mickleham
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Registration district: Dorking
Sub-registration district: Dorking
ED, institution, or vessel:15
Household schedule number: 47
Piece: 829
Folio: 122
Page Number: 11

No help for 1861 at all.

Kind regards
Amanda

Gee

Gee Report 4 Oct 2014 18:45

A tree at Ancestry has this for Katherine


Birth: Sep 1854 - Staffordshire, England
Marriage: 22 Mar 1875 - Bethnal Green, England
Death: dec Q 1881 (Dec 1881) - london, england
Parents: Thomas Willett, Mary A Willett
Spouse: Alfred Offen


But, the same tree has father Thomas dying in 1866 (as above) but then they give census details for 1871....for HIM!

Shirley_05

Shirley_05 Report 4 Oct 2014 17:48

thank you very much <3

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 4 Oct 2014 17:42

Going by the date of birth and the date of marriage it looks as if she wasn't quite 21 so may have said her father was deceased because she didn't have parental consent for the marriage.

That said if the death above IS that of her father then he really WAS deceased.

Kath. x

Shirley_05

Shirley_05 Report 4 Oct 2014 17:39

thank you both gives me something to go on again, wud there be a posibility that the dad didnt want the marriage to go ahead or cut all ties with her dad

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 4 Oct 2014 17:34

SNAP Christine.

Kath. x

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 4 Oct 2014 17:33

I looked for a death for her father anytime between her birth in 1854 and when she married in 1875. This looks to be the most likely:-

First name(s) THOMAS
Last name WILLETT
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1828
Age 38
Death quarter 3
Death year 1866
District ISLINGTON
County London
Volume 1B
Page 173

Kath. x

Christine

Christine Report 4 Oct 2014 17:32

Possible death for father?

Deaths Sep 1866
Willett Thomas 38 Islington 1b 173

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 4 Oct 2014 17:30

Just can't find anything, done it upside down and inside out, looked for just anything and no joy.
Might be one of those occasions when you need the birth cert.
Jan

Shirley_05

Shirley_05 Report 4 Oct 2014 17:28

tried the name every which way, not ever failed before

Shirley_05

Shirley_05 Report 4 Oct 2014 17:27

no just states deceased

Shirley_05

Shirley_05 Report 4 Oct 2014 17:26

it states her dad was deceased one moment i'll check his occupation kathleen

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 4 Oct 2014 17:20

Does it give an occupation for Katherine's father on the marriage certificate?

Kath.

Shirley_05

Shirley_05 Report 4 Oct 2014 17:07

yes it is :/ her daughter eunice married a man arthur henry clarke. katherines son on entry to a school in london was signed in for by a mrs clarke, but eunice is two years younger than her brother

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 4 Oct 2014 17:03

Must say I can't see her either! Looked to see if witnesses were linked, but it looks like Sophia Farrall was married on the same day to William Prior, and each couple witnessed the other wedding. Sophia's maiden name was Harris so no joy there.
How frustrating!
Jan

Shirley_05

Shirley_05 Report 4 Oct 2014 16:59

yes thats right holloway comes under islington Jan