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I am trying to find the daughter of my 3x great grandmother from her first marriage, she was born 1844 but didn't go with her mother when she remarried , I have her on the 1851 census living with her grandfather Richard Cule at Hendry LLanishen Cardiff, then in 1861 still with her grandparents but living at Maes Y Berllan Llanishen Cardiff this time her name is spelt as Doil after that I don't seem to be able to find any record of her. by 1871 her mother Margaret Cule/Doyle/ Williams has left Cardiff and has moved to Montgomeryshire with her husband Ephraim Williams where they both died before 1881, would be grateful for any help in any more sightings of her. Many thanks Pam

For her birthplace

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Maes Y Berllan, Lanishen, Cardiff, Glamorganshire, Wales

Print transcription View image Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Richard Cule Head Married Male 64 1797 Farmer Of 40 Acres Glamorgan, Wales Transcription
Elizabeth Cule Wife Married Female 68 1793 Farmers Wife Caerphilly, Glamorgan, Wales Transcription
Elizabeth Doil Granddaughter Unmarried Female 16 1845 Farmers Granddaughter Llanishen, Glamorgan, Wales Transcription
Richard Cule Grandson - Male 9 1852 - Llanishen, Glamorgan, Wales

Deaths Sep 1866 (>99%)
CULE Richard 69 Cardiff 11a 117

When did Elizabeth Cule die?

Or did she re-marry?

Marriages Dec 1867 (>99%)
Cule Elizabeth Cardiff 11a 361 Scan available - click to view
SPILLER John Cardiff 11a 361 Scan available - click to view
Wright John Cardiff 11a 361

Elizabeth Doyle's mother was Margaret née Cule ...

her remarriage

Marriages Mar 1851
Doyle Margaret Cardiff 26 471
Williams Ephraim Cardiff 26 471

first marriage

Marriages Sep 1843
CULE Margaret Cardiff 26 473
DOYLE Michael Cardiff 26 473

missing daughter:

Births Dec 1844
DOYLE Elizabeth Cardiff 26 338


1851 census in Llanishen

Richard Ente 53 = CULE mistranscribed by Ancestry
Morris Ente 20 son
Elizabeth Doyle 6 granddaughter
Margret Proper 88 mother-in-law
Mary Phillip 47 servant


just for info because the opening post was a bit confusing

just thought I'd mention - I've been to Llanishen today :-D

Name: Elizabeth Doyle
Event Type: Birth Registration
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year: 1844
Registration District: Cardiff
County: Glamorganshire
Event Place: Cardiff, Glamorganshire, Wales
Volume: 26
Page: 338
Line Number: 11

Name: Richard Cule
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 1820
Event Place: Llanishen, Glamorgan, Wales
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Prosser

Name: Richard Cule
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1861
Gender: Male
Age: 9
Relationship to Head of Household: Grandson
Birthplace: Llanishen, Glamorganshire
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Cardiff
Sub-District: 1 Caerphilly
Parish: Lanishen
Residence County: Glamorganshire

Name: Richard Cule
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1861
Gender: Male
Age: 64
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Birthplace: ..., Glamorganshire
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Cardiff
Sub-District: 1 Caerphilly
Parish: Lanishen
Residence County: Glamorganshire

Name: Ephraim Williams
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 11 Mar 1851
Event Place: St John, Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Widowed
Father's Name: Robert Williams
Spouse's Name: Margaret Doyle
Spouse's Marital Status: Widowed
Spouse's Father's Name: Richard Cule
Digital Folder Number: 004174169 , Image Number: 00091

AnnCardiff ...

Jacqueline already posted the whole household information for Richard Cule and family in the 1861 census

and I already posted the registration info for the birth of Elizabeth Doyle 1844

and the registration info for the Margaret Doyle + Ephraim Williams marriage
(without the details of fathers etc. but I think Pam has those details already)

(and I have also posted the 1851 census info for the Richard Cule household
and the registration info for Margaret Cule Doyle Williams' first marriage)


I guess I think it does matter because it clutters the thread and makes it go to a second page several posts before it needs to :-)

oh well - twice won't matter :-D

by the way Pam, coincidence today - been to a family funeral for one of my Llanishen rellies and when I got home I have a message on my phone from a Llanishn historian who is looking into WW1 names on the war memorial - one of whom is my great uncle - I'll ask him if he has any info on your quest :-)

Thanks everyone and thanks Ann for passing on the quest, I have got quite a lot of information about the Cule's curtesy of a Cule family member a a book called "a step back in time" which takes the family back to approx 1735. I was speaking to another family searcher about the book and we said how sad that she didn't go with her mother who went on to have several more children with Ephraim Williams having lost her father Michael Doyle as a little girl and then her mother goes off to start a new life leaving her with her grandparents and after the death of her grandfather she seems to have disappeared. Many thanks to you all for helping pam :-D

Cardiff and Merthyr Guardian, Glamorgan, Monmouth, and Brecon Gazette — 4 January 1868

SPILLER CULE. On the 25th ult., at Lisvane Parish Church, by the Rev. Thomas Rees, vicar of the parish, Mr. John Spiller, Cornish miner, to Miss Elizabeth Cule, both of the parish of Lisvane.

http://welshnewspapers.llgc.org.uk/en/home


1891 (possible above couple?)
John Spiller Head Married Male 48 1843 Foreman On Sewery Works Axminster, Devon, England
Elizabeth Spiller Wife Married Female 47 1844 - Llanishen, Glamorgan, Wales
William Spiller Son Single Male 20 1871 Excavator Plate Dent, Yorkshire, England
Street Lynn Street
Town Cwmbwrla
Parish Swansea Higher and Lower
City Swansea
County Glamorganshire
Registration district Swansea
Archive reference RG12
Piece number 4471
Folio 62
Page 31


1871 (Find My Past)
John Spiller Boarder - Male 27 1844 - Devon, England (Railway Miner)
Eliza Spiller Boarder's Wife - Female 26 1845 - Glamorgan, Wales
Alfred Spiller Boarder's Son - Male 1 1870 - Glamorgan, Wales
William Spiller Boarder's Son - Male 0 1871 - Yorkshire, England
Street Railway Hut
Parish Garsdale
County Yorkshire, Yorkshire (West Riding)
Country England
Registration district Sedburgh
Archive reference RG10
Piece number 4249
Folio 15
Page 2


1881
John Spillar Head Married Male 38 1843 Fireman Devon, England
Elizabeth Spillar Wife Married Female 36 1845 - Glamorgan, Wales
William F? Spillar Son Single Male 10 1871 Scholar Yorkshire, England
House number 64
Street Salop Street
Parish Penarth
County Glamorganshire Country Wales
Registration district Cardiff
Archive reference RG11
Piece number 5289
Folio 47
Page 91

Chris :)


Births Mar 1871 (>99%)
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Spiller William Thomas Sedbergh 9a 5

(possible Son, as William T 1901)


Marriages Dec 1892 (>99%)
------------------------------------------------------------
Clark Elizabeth Hereford 6a 1018
Spiller William Thomas Hereford 6a 1018

(his Marriage)


In loving memory of Elizabeth wife of W T Spiller, Islwyn House, Llandybie died. April 16th 1926 aged 53yrs.

http://www.carmarthenshire-online.info/llandybiemonumentals/llandybiemonumentals00034.html

Looks very possible Chris - here they are on 1871 - John is a Railway Miner...

Not posted the census as I see you have added it to your post above ;-) :-D

Dea x

(sorry Dea, found it after!)

Chris :)

edits (witnesses relating?)

County Monmouthshire
Place Caldicot
Church Parish Church
RegisterNumber
MarriageDate 13 May 1883
GroomForename Richard
GroomSurname WILLIAMS
GroomAge 24
GroomParish Caldicot
GroomCondition Bachelor
GroomOccupation Miner
GroomAbode
BrideForename Emily
BrideSurname BURFORD
BrideAge 22
BrideParish Caldicot
BrideCondition Spinster
BrideOccupation Servant
BrideAbode
GroomFatherForename Ephiam
GroomFatherSurname WILLIAMS
GroomFatherOccupation Sawyer
BrideFatherForename James
BrideFatherSurname BURFORD
BrideFatherOccupation Labourer
WitnessOneForename John
WitnessOneSurname SPILLER
WitnessTwoForename Elizabeth
WitnessTwoSurname SPILLER

http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl

for the record, Lisvane adjoins Llanishen - the next parish

You are all STARS looks very promising, as soon as I've finished working and have got back from seeing the mother I will get all my info out and have a look, life's been a nightmare over the last few years so my family history has been pushed to one side but with things calming down I have been able to get back to it over the last few weeks and have loved every minute of it, also seeing what a wonderful lot all the guys and girls are on this site how you are always willing to help I realise now how much I've missed it all XXXXXXXX <3

PS Ann I'm in Llanedeyrn so not far away

I'm in Whitchurch :-D