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Nicola
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5 Sep 2014 20:45 |
Looking for Wilfred Henry Smith possibly born 11/12/1912 in Leyton, Essex. Married Grace Valentine Mills 31/3/1934 West Ham and died in 1968 aged 57, Derley Road Southall, Middlesex He had siblings Dolly, Alice, Albert, Albert, Sidney, John, Kathlyn and Rosie. I have searched and searched to many possibilities. Can't find all siblings together but found some in 1911 census living west ham and born Walthamstow previously Leyton.
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GlitterBaby
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5 Sep 2014 20:54 |
Who does he name as his father on marriage cert ?
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Catherine
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5 Sep 2014 21:12 |
Any idea of the dates of birth of the siblings?
Also you have named Albert twice, ?
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alviegal
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5 Sep 2014 21:16 |
Two unsourced trees on ancestry, both owned by the same person has this on one tree.
Parents
Wilfred Henry Smith 1898 – 1960
Elizabeth 1898 – 1969
Wilfred Henry Smith Birth 11th Dec 1909 in Leyton, Essex, England Death 9th May 1969 in Middlesex, Essex
and this on the another
Wilfred Henry Smith Birth 11 Nov 1912 in Leyton, Essex, England Death 9th May 1969 in Middlesex, Essex
Obviously the top one has a slight problem with the parents ages so it may be best to disregard these.
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Nicola
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5 Sep 2014 21:21 |
Just discovered Wilfred's Parents were Wilfred Henry Smith and Elizabeth Griffin.
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alviegal
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5 Sep 2014 21:27 |
Can you post the 1911 that you have found please?
I take it this is his birth?
England & Wales births 1837-2006 Transcription Print individual transcription View image Attach to tree First name(s) WILFRED H Last name SMITH Birth year 1912 Birth quarter 1 Registration month - Mother's last name GRIFFIN District SHOREDITCH County London Country England Volume 1C Page 32
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Catherine
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5 Sep 2014 21:29 |
Wilfred Henry Smith born in 1898 can't have a child in 1909 or in 1912??????
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Nicola
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5 Sep 2014 21:29 |
Sorry only one Albert thanks for pointing that out.
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Catherine
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5 Sep 2014 21:30 |
These births would fit with Smith / Griffin:-
Births Jun 1920 (>99%) Smith Alice M [EH] Griffin W. Ham 4a 748 Births Mar 1922 (>99%) Smith John H Griffin W.Ham 4a 662 Births Dec 1925 (>99%) Smith Sidney Griffin W.Ham 4a 514 Births Sep 1928 (>99%) Smith Kathleen J Griffin W.Ham 4a 456 Births Jun 1930 (>99%) Smith Rosina F Griffin W.Ham 4a 472
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Andrew
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5 Sep 2014 21:35 |
Just to late for the census
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Jun 1911 (>99%) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Griffin Elizabeth Shoreditch 1c 194 Smith Wilfred H Shoreditch 1c 194
Andy
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alviegal
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5 Sep 2014 21:35 |
Dolly ??
Births Mar 1913 (>99%) Smith Dorothy M E Griffin Shoreditch 1c 42
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Catherine
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5 Sep 2014 21:37 |
So none of them, apart from the parents, could be on the 1911 census !!!!
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Catherine
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5 Sep 2014 21:39 |
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Elizabeth Griffin Name: Elizabeth Griffin Spouse: Wilfred Henry Smith Record Type: Banns Event Date: 28 May 1911 Parish: St Mary, Hoxton Borough: Hackney Register Type: Parish Register
Address:- (looks like) Bevendon Street ?
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Andrew
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5 Sep 2014 21:40 |
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Wilfred Henry Smith
Name:Wilfred Henry Smith Estimated Birth Year:abt 1888 Age:23 Spouse: Elizabeth Griffon Spouse Age:23 Record Type:Marriage Event Date:4 Jun 1911 Parish:St Mary, Hoxton Borough:Hackney Father Name:Walter Henry Smith Spouse Father:William Henry Griffon Register Type:Parish Register
Andy
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Andrew
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5 Sep 2014 21:41 |
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1911 England Census about Wilfred Henry Smith
Name:Wilfred Henry Smith Age in 1911:23 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1888 Relation to Head:Head Gender:Male Birth Place:Shoreditch Civil Parish:Shoreditch County/Island:London Country:England Street address:24 Bevenden St, City Road, Hoxton (same as marriage) Marital Status:Single Occupation:UPHOLSTERING Registration district:Shoreditch Registration District Number:16 Sub-registration district:Shoreditch South ED, institution, or vessel:18 Piece:1339 Household Members:
Name Age
Wilfred Henry Smith 23 Alice Margaret Smith 22 Kate Elizabeth Smith 21 Mary Isabel Smith (witness on marriage) Andy
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Nicola
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5 Sep 2014 21:53 |
Info from Family only from memory: Wilfred Henry Smith born 11/12/12 in Leyton, Essex Married Grace V Mills 1934 in West Ham Essex, Died in 1968, Southall Middlesex. Parents Wilfred henry Smith and Elizabeth Griffin(they couldn't have been born in 1898) found marriage of Wilfred Smith and Elizabeth Griffin June 1911 Shoreditch( best match so far) Never going to look up Smith's again!!
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5 Sep 2014 21:55 |
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 61, Hawksley Road, Walthamstow, West Ham, Essex, England Print household transcription Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place William H Griffin Head Married Male 44 1857 Plumber & Gas Fitter London, England Image Transcription Jane Griffin Wife Married Female 41 1860 - Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Image Transcription Ada Griffin Daughter Married Female 22 1879 Fancy Box Maker Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Image Transcription William H Griffin Son Single Male 17 1884 Brass Finisher London, England Image Transcription Jane Griffin Daughter Single Female 14 1887 - Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Image Transcription Elizabeth Griffin Daughter Single Female 11 1890 - London, England Image Transcription Nellie Griffin Daughter Single Female 8 1893 - Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Image Transcription George Griffin Son - Male 3 1898 - Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Image Transcription Ernest Griffin Son - Male 1 1900 - Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
William is a plumber on the MC and Elizabeth is a box maker.
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5 Sep 2014 22:04 |
1891
1891 England Census about Wilfred H Smith
Name: Wilfred H Smith
Age:3 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1888 Relation:Son Mother's name:Eliza M Smith Gender:Male Where born:Hoxton, London, England Civil Parish:Shoreditch Ecclesiastical parish:Haggerston St Columb County/Island:London Country:England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district:Shoreditch Sub-registration district:Haggerston ED, institution, or vessel:1 Neighbors: View others on page Piece:251 Folio:25 Page Number:44 Household Members: Name Age
Eliza M Smith 33 widowed Wilfred H Smith 3 Alice M Smith 2 Kate E Smith 31 Mary F Smith 1 Week Susannah Aspey 59 Mother
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5 Sep 2014 22:07 |
1881 England Census about William Griffin Name: William Griffin Age: 24 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857 Relationship to Head: Head Spouse: Jane Griffin Gender: Male Where born: Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: Shoreditch County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 38 Basing St Marital Status: Married Occupation: Plumber Registration district: Shoreditch Sub-registration district: Hoxton Old Town ED, institution, or vessel: 20 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 398 Folio: 111 Page Number: 13 Household Members: Name Age William Griffin 24 Jane Griffin 21 Ada Griffin 2 Sarah L. Griffen 1 Marian J. Neyslour 36
1891 England Census about Wm Griffin Name: Wm Griffin Age: 34 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Jane Griffin Gender: Male Where born: London, England Civil Parish: Shoreditch Ecclesiastical parish: Hoxton St Andrew Town: London County/Island: London Country: England Street address:
Occupation: Plumber
Registration district: Shoreditch Sub-registration district: Haggerston ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 252 Folio: 18 Page Number: 30 Household Members: Name Age Wm Griffin 34 Jane Griffin 31 Ada Griffin 12 Wm Griffin 7 Jane Griffin 4 Enielbers Griffin 2 Arthur Griffin 7/12
1911 England Census about William Griffin Name: William Griffin Age in 1911: 53 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858 Gender: Male Birth Place: Shoreditch Civil Parish: Shoreditch County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 19 Aske St, Hoxton N Marital Status: Widowed Occupation: GAS FITTER Registration district: Shoreditch Registration District Number: 16 Sub-registration district: Shoreditch South ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Piece: 1329 Household Members: Name Age
William Griffin 53 George Griffin 13 Henry Griffin 11 Fred Griffin 9
States Widower Then under number of years married he has put 3yrs so maybe he has been a widower for 3 yrs. 14 children - 8 living and 6 died
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Nicola
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7 Sep 2014 22:08 |
Missing Smith's in 1901 census. There seems to be no trace of Wilfred Henry Smith born 1887 or sisters Alice Margaret Smith born dec 1888 and Kate Elizabeth Smith born dec1889. Mother Eliza Mary Ann Smith also missing, Eliza's Husband Walter Henry Smith died in Dec 1889, got the siblings 1911 but no mother (Eliza)? but a Mary Isabel Smith appears with the siblings in 1911? Think she was born in 1891 and was witness to Wilfred's Marriage in 1912?
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