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A little push up, just in case Andrew is still waiting for reply's...and doesn't realize he will not be notified he has them...pm also sent.....

Mistyx

I think you might be following the wrong family Andrew:

The parents of John South Phillips were married in 1824 Huntingdon (as posted above by mistycat- however, you state your John and his wife Mary married in 1821- where did this information come from?

Do you have the birth year right for John Phillips? There's this one baptised in 1781 (as posted by Chris HO above)

Name: John Phillips
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 01 Jul 1781
Christening Place: Stanton Parish, England
Father's Name: Edward Phillips
Mother's Name: Mary Phillips

Now I'm confused: This John in 1851 was born in Stanton- a porter and widowed: Is this the John we're looking for?

John Phillips
Age: 63
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1788
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Stanton, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: All Hallows London Wall
County/Island: Middlesex
Registration district: London City
Sub-registration district: London City North East
ED, institution, or vessel: 8a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 148
Piece: 1532
Folio: 203
Page Number: 33
Household Members:
Name Age
John Phillips 63

The full will of John Phillips (1790-1849) is on Ancestry, it is quite difficult to read but if you're interested I can send you a copy:

England & Wales, Prerogative Court of Canterbury Wills
Name: John Phillips
Probate Date: 2 May 1849
Residence: Great Barton, Suffolk, England

He appoints his son, John South Phillips, and his brother, Captain Robert F? Phillips of the Royal Artillery executors of his will. He mentions brothers Charles Henry Phillips and Henry George Phillips and brother-in law ?? James Gibson.

Edit: I believe his brother named executor is Captain Robert Fryer Phillips who died in 1856 aged 65- HOWEVER, his death reported in the paper lists him as the third son of JOHN Phillips Esq of Pall Mall London, (and not son of Edward as you listed- have we been searching the wrong family??)

OK- not sure the above records apply to your John Phillips as this is the Baptism for his brother, Robert:

Robert Fryer Phillips
Baptism Date: 3 Oct 1790
Baptism Place: Great Barton, Suffolk, England
Father: John Phillips<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Mother: Frances Phillips
FHL Film Number: 989616



Who was your Ancestor (brother of John) that you mention in your post?

John Phillips burial 5th April 1849:

First name(s) JOHN
Last name PHILLIPS
Birth year 1790
Death year 1849
Age 59
Burial year 1849
Burial day 5
Burial month 4
Place GREAT BARTON
Church description HOLY INNOCENTS
Church denomination ANGLICAN
County Suffolk
Record set National Burial Index for England & Wales

http://www.gravestonephotos.com/public/gravedetails.php?grave=3249&personid=6108&scrwidth=1600

(above has Parents)

Chris :)


England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 (Ancestry)
Name: John Phillips
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 1 Jul 1781
Baptism Place: Stanton Parish, England
Father: Edward Phillips
Mother: Mary Phillips
FHL Film Number: 887394
Reference ID: P 9


Name: Edw Phillips
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 25 Nov 1779
Baptism Place: Stanton All Saints, Suffolk, England
Father: Edw Phillips
Mother: Mary
FHL Film Number: 887393

England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973 (Ancestry)
Name: Mary Copsey
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 20 Oct 1778
Marriage Place: Pakenham,Suffolk,England
Spouse: Edward Phillips
FHL Film Number: 952216

NOTE: These articles apply to John South Phillips, his wife and parents- this may not be your Phillips family- see my posts below

There are lots of articles written about this family, including an article that was published nationwide of a serious fire in 1844 on the farm of John Phillips destroying much stock (he was insured). Below are some family announcements which may be of interest-

Marriage of John Phillips as reported in Cambridge Chronicle and Journal 15 October 1824.

MARRIED:
On Friday the 8th inst. at All Saints Church, Huntingdon (by the Rev. Dr. Maltby,) John Phillips Esq of Great Barton, Suffolk, to Mary Elizabeth, only child of John South Esq. of Huntingdon.
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Death of John Phillip's wife as reported in Hereford Journal 28 September 1825

DIED:
Sept 19th, Mary Elizabeth, wife on Mr John Phillips, of Great Barton, Suffolk.
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Death of John Phillips as reported in the Bury and Norwich Post 04 April 1849.

DIED:
On Friday last, the 30th ult., at Great Barton, John Phillips Esq., aged 59.
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First marriage of John South Phillips as reported in London Standard 07 July 1849.

MARRIAGES:
In the 5th Inst. John South Phillips Esq. only son of the late John Phillips Esq. of Great Barton, Suffolk, to Mary Ann Charlotte second daughter of John Henry Heigham Esq, of Hunston Hall, in the same county.
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Death of John South's first wife as reported in the Bury and Norwich Post 8th February 1859.

DIED:
On the 6th Inst. at Great Barton, Mary Ann Charlotte, wife of John South Phillips Esq. and daughter of John Henry Heigham, Esq. of Hunston Hall in this county.
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Could be related ?

England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: John Philips
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 5 Nov 1788
Baptism Date: 23 Nov 1788
Baptism Place: Stanton all Saints, Suffolk, England
Father: George Philips
Mother: Frances Marsh Frances
FHL Film Number: 887397

Mistyx

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: John Louth Phillips
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Registration Year: 1890
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 64
Registration district: Thingoe
Parishes for this Registration District:
Inferred County: Suffolk
Volume: 4a
Page: 377


England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966 about John South Phillips
Name: John South Phillips
Probate Date: 30 Sep 1890
Death Date: 3 Jul 1890
Death Place: Suffolk, England
Registry: Bury St. Edmunds

Estate....£11,118,3s1d......with a will

Mistyx

Edit.....All John's children born Great Barton

Re-married

1871 England Census
Name: John South Phillips
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Eliza C Phillips
Gender: Male
Where born: Great Barton, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: Great Barton
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Registration district: Thingoe
Sub-registration district: Ixworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Household schedule number: 2
Piece: 1726
Folio: 99
Page Number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
John South Phillips 45.....JP and Landowner
Eliza C Phillips 35....Rougham, Suffolk
John H Phillips 19....Undergraduate Trinity, Cambridge
Maude M G Phillips 18
Elwin G W Phillips 9
Ethel M D Phillips 5
Alexander R S Phillips 3
Mabel C B Phillips 1
Ann Tuck 28
Lucy Morris 31
Susan Mortlock 29
Caroline E Cook 18
Elizabeth Hudson 19
Arthur Pollard 19


1881 England Census
Name: John South Phillips
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Eliza C. Phillips
Gender: Male
Where born: Gt Barton, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: Great Barton
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Street address: The Lodge
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Justice Of Peace & D.L.For Suffk M.A.Franity Coll Cambs Landowner & Farmer (O L
Registration district: Thingoe
Sub-registration district: Ixworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1841
Folio: 11
Page Number: 16
Household Members:
Name Age
John South Phillips 55
Eliza C. Phillips 45
Agnes N.D. Phillips 30
Maude M.G. Phillips 28
E.Geo.Wilson Phillips 18
Ethel M.D. Phillips 15
Alexander R.S. Phillips 13
Mabel C.O. Phillips 11
Adile L. Eplattenier 20
Emma Clarke 30
Sophia Last 24
Sarah E. Petch 24
Alice A. Goddard 17

All birth/marriages/deaths can be found at, its a free site

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Anyone without the name Philips or otherwise stated are servants

Mistyx

And more.....

1861 England Census
Name: John South Phillips.......Widow
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: 1826
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Great Barton, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: Great Barton
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Registration district: Thingoe
Sub-registration district: Ixworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 75
Piece: 1139
Folio: 106
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
John South Phillips 35
Agnes Maria Desburgh Phillips 11
John William Heigham Phillips 9
Moud Mary Gould Phillips 8
Fanny Heigham 26......Sister in Law.....Hunston Suffolk
Harriette Heigham 26.......Sister in Law, Hunston,Suffolk
Matilda Oppertunin 25
Susannah Salisbury 20
Maria Simkin 38
Eliza Cadle 20
Charles Pawsey 20

John is a...... Justice of the Peace, B A 1848 Trin Coll Cambridge, Occupier & Part Owner Of 544 Acres Employing 22 Men & 10 Boys

Mistyx

Hi,
I'm looking for my ancestor brother, John Phillips, born in 1790 at Stanton Suffolk. His parents were: Edward and Mary Phillips. John got a job as an apprentice farm labourer. He got married to Mary (unknown) at Botesdale Church Suffolk in 1821. They moved to Great Barton. In 1823 John South Phillips was born, but Mary died in 1825. Eventually John was a wealthy farmer. Did he get remarried again? What happened to John South? I will wait for your reply, regards Andrew.